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formula79
02-20-2004, 04:47 PM
Don't know if this is good or bad.

All Quiet On The Commodore Front
Sydney Morning Herald 02/20/04
author: Joshua Dowling
Copyright of John Fairfax Group Pty Ltd


The last time Bob Lutz visited Holden with senior executives from General Motors, he set the wheels in motion to export the Monaro to America. On this week's flying visit, General Motors' flamboyant product chief and his peers had a sneak preview of the all-new 2006 Commodore range, most of which is likely to be exported or assembled overseas.

Reports in overseas motoring media claim that General Motors is close to announcing the Commodore's global plans. But at a media briefing on Tuesday at Holden's proving ground on the outskirts of Melbourne, Lutz said a date was yet to be finalised.

Everybody is hard at work and the assumption is it will all be approved, but [the corporation] likes to time these [announcements] for maximum effect, said Lutz. Our friends in the communications department are trying to keep a lid on it for the time being.

Part of the reason for the delay in the announcement is that it affects many parties. The skeleton of the next Commodore is likely to be used in vehicles sold in the USA, Europe, Korea, China and the Middle East.

The 2006 Commodore will be the first vehicle to use the all-new structure. But, thanks to computer and satellite technology, Holden designers could style Commodore-based variants for GM affiliates - namely Saab, Cadillac, Buick and Pontiac - from their studios in Port Melbourne. Technology allows the three-dimensional designs and other vital statistics to be transmitted electronically to GM's design centres in the US and Europe.

Once [the 2006 Commodore] is over we're going to have some spare engineering capacity, said Lutz. With the technology

you can have Holden chief designer Mike Simcoe design a Cadillac, transfer the data

to Detroit, and then have designers in America mill the clay model there, polish it up and critique it. Nowadays it almost doesn't matter where the physical clay [model] is.

Saab's advanced design studio, he said, is currently working on a Cadillac project. So, I think very definitely that Holden will be more involved in future global design. Lutz also stressed that Australian designers - not Americans - would design the next generation Pontiac GTO.

Meanwhile, the Free Trade Agreement between Australia and the US would not automatically lead to an export order for Holden utes, Lutz said, because Holden's factory in Adelaide is running at maximum capacity and negotiations with America's powerful United Auto Workers (UAW) union are yet to take place.

We have a highly co-operative relationship with the UAW, Lutz said. You don't want to disrupt it. It's like if I want to buy another airplane. I can absolutely do it and confront my wife and say it was my money, I decided I needed another airplane and she would say, 'Yes, dear', but there would be a disturbed relationship for a considerable period of time.

When asked if the UAW would accept more imported vehicles if the trade agreement with Australia was ratified, Lutz said: Intellectually, it's understood. On an emotional level, it's hard to digest at a time when we don't have all our [factories] running at full capacity and we're still talking about having excess capacity in the US.

Don't forget that, for Americans, the concept of the country existing in a global economy is much harder to accept than it is for Europeans and other people because we were like a world unto our own for so many decades.

Lutz said the UAW might be less opposed to imports once Cadillacs were exported to Europe: It's a two-way street.

Lutz, 72, who has worked for BMW, Ford and Chrysler during his illustrious career and who flies fighter planes in his spare time, said he has no plans to retire. I don't think about it, he said. As far as I'm concerned, I serve at the pleasure of [General Motors CEO] Rick Wagoner and the board of directors, and I'm willing to do it as long as they'll have me.

I'm having the time of my life, he said as he sampled the Monaro-based Pontiac GTO at 200kmh on Holden's high-speed test track. This job beats retirement any day. Tell me where in retirement you can do this.

Living in a time warp

Feel like you're living in the past? Try being a car designer. I've written a cheque at a store and dated it 2008, said Ed Welburn, the global design chief of General Motors, and the sales clerk looked at me kind of funny and said, 'Ah, sir'. I spend all my time at the moment living and thinking 2006, 2007, 2008 - just trying to remember what year it is can be a problem.

After being locked up in a studio all day designing cars for the future, the world can suddenly look pretty old when you get outside, said Welburn, the first African American to head General Motors' styling division.

Welburn says he has wanted to design cars since he was 11, when he wrote to the company and asked how he could become a designer. I asked them what kind of courses I needed to take, what schools I needed to attend, and they wrote me back and gave me guidance, he said.

Welburn completed a summer internship at the end of his junior college year and was invited back after he completed his senior year. He started work with GM when he was 20 and has been there since. Welburn, 53, sits at the same desk as his idols, former GM design chiefs Harvey Earl and Bill Mitchell. On his desk is a framed photograph of himself as a young summer intern shaking hands with Mitchell. It's a great photo - I had a big afro - you know, it was 1971 - and I just treasure that photograph.

Welburn, whose recent credits include the retro-themed Chevrolet SSR, Hummer H2 and Cadillac Escalade, has mixed emotions about being the first senior African-American designer at GM.

For a lot of people, it's a difficult question to ask but I don't mind talking about it. It does feel good, but I don't dwell on it. It sends a message to people from any background that they can achieve anything. The other day, I was a Black History Fact on [TV show] Rap City, he laughed. My children's friends called and said, 'Hey, your dad's on TV'.

Being the first means that GM didn't have one before. So you've got to look at it both ways. It would have been nice for it to happen earlier, whether it be me or someone else.

I've had some very well known African Americans, people who are legends, who have come up to me complimenting me on what I'm doing, and when that happens it's pretty humbling.

People in government, people in the movie industry. When Jesse Jackson congratulated me, he almost had tears in his eyes. That's when I kind of went, 'Wow' and realised it was a pretty big deal.

Odin
02-20-2004, 04:57 PM
I just hope Mike Simcoe is open to some criticism about the "aggressiveness" of the GTO. He was oppossed to the HSV versions of his monaro because they "ruined" the clean lines according to him. I wouldnt be suprised if he is part of the reason for the current gto styling. (Everyone knows it could of been a bit more aggressive, considering what the market wants.)

It sounds like there will be feedback from GMNA on the designs though, alot of computer traffic will be going back and forth

Tails
02-20-2004, 05:05 PM
Considering that the boys from OZ have been designing better toys (Re: Muscle) then the US counterparts I am glad to see that they will be keeping control of the design.
:ph34r: :ph34r:

Davbo
02-20-2004, 07:50 PM
Great article. Thanks Branden :D

Howie
02-20-2004, 09:30 PM
Very interesting read!!

Orbit Orange
02-21-2004, 10:56 PM
Thanks for the post Branden.

I must say I'm a little disappointed that the design team will not have any "Americans" on it. I was hoping for a little more American styling cues in the next generation GTO, nothing over the top but something with a little more American or Pontiac flair to it. I still like the new GTO for what it is, but I have a problem with Lutz every now and again as he always seems to go with a more bland/refined style than a little more brash Pontiac theme.

I'm not thinking plastic geegaws and emormous hood scoops here, just a little more agressive stance and style of the sheetmetal in the next generation GTO. No offense to our Aussie design brethren. :)

rk_GTO_68
02-24-2004, 09:31 AM
If this is true then the aftermarket guys should have a lot of business coming their way !!

TriShield
02-24-2004, 08:24 PM
Originally posted by Odin@Feb 20 2004, 03:57 PM
I just hope Mike Simcoe is open to some criticism about the "aggressiveness" of the GTO. He was oppossed to the HSV versions of his monaro because they "ruined" the clean lines according to him.
He's exactly right. The HSV kits look horrible and tacked on, they do ruin the lines of the car.

I'm glad he's styling the next GTO and Holden models, he's done a fantastic job in my opinion, and I think with a pure clean sheet (no German designed Opel bodies) he can make something special.

nikivee
03-06-2004, 11:14 AM
I'm sure there will be plenty of input on the design so that it suits our domestic market.

FunkyPig
03-07-2004, 04:21 AM
I think the next GTO will be built in America, so they can get bigger volumes. Given the many years notice (instead of 18 months with the current one) and the big volumes, I think the new GTO will be more different to the Monaro than it is currently. This will allow the US version to be more muscular while the Australian version can retain the subdued lines that this market seems to prefer, and there could even be some cross over between markets (ie. have a subdued GTO and an aggressive Monaro as well). Both markets will win with this deal.

The just retired CEO of Holden said that after the current Monaro-GTO deal Holden would definitely continue to export cars to America, but almost implied that this car/s would not be the GTO. Maybe a Ute or AWD, there are many variants of the VE on the way.

Goater
03-07-2004, 11:31 PM
I do not understand why people keep making the statement that the GTO needs to look more muscular. The current style is plenty muscular looking. I think what you really mean to say is that you wish it looked more “greasy,” like the old TransAm. Like it or not, the days of tacky hood scoops and disgusting body moldings are over, or at least I hope they are fore the sake of Pontiac.

mang01
03-29-2005, 11:40 PM
Thought an update on this might be worthwhile - see it at GoAuto News (http://goauto.carsales.com.au/mellor/mellor.nsf/story2/A5E47DABB367D934CA256FCD0009AB5E)

Doubt looms for Zeta:

Holden seeks clarification of shock decision

By JOHN MELLOR 23 March 2005


HOLDEN’S role in the worldwide General Motors rear-wheel drive program, code-named Zeta, has been thrown into disarray following a decision by the corporation not to proceed with the rear-drive architecture for cars to be sold in North America.

The engineering program for the American car divisions, which was to have been run out of Fishermens Bend, has been put on indefinite hold because GM has more pressing problems to solve – especially in the area of sports utility vehicles for the US domestic market.

With the corporation bleeding to the point where it is now predicting losses to the international investment community, with income said to be some 80 per cent less than expectations, GM has been forced to allocate its priorities and SUVs won the day.

A boost in sales of SUVs in the truck-focused US market is more likely to send more profit to the bottom line than a boost in sales for mid-range cars the size of the Commodore.

The cars were to be the next-generation Pontiac GTO and mid-sized rear-drive cars and crossovers for Chevrolet, Pontiac and Buick. A concept for the Buick Velite was shown at the recent New York Motor Show.

The decision by GM product chief Bob Lutz, a strong proponent of rear-drive cars for the US, was also said to be based upon doubt that GM could make money on the Zeta-based cars sold in America.

Holden management has been surprised by the move and is still attempting to find out what it all means.

But officials are emphatic all development of the Zeta architecture for the Holden VE Commodore, for both the Australian market and for Holden export markets, will not be affected by the change in direction.

While GM has said Holden will continue to be responsible for development of the Zeta program, Holden is saying chairman and managing director, Denny Mooney, will not be commenting until his group has learned just exactly what the impact of the announcement means to their total involvement in Zeta.

At this stage, Holden believes its role in global engineering and design for GM is unchanged and that Holden would continue to be a centre of expertise for GM in engineering and design for rear-drive cars.

But the establishment of a so-called “homeroom” in Melbourne to house the global design team is unlikely to go ahead. The man appointed to be the vehicle line executive in charge of the rear-drive platform project, Gene Stefanyshyn, is now unlikely to take up his post in Australia.

Holden’s acting national manager – media relations, Emily Perry, said: “We are still working through that to determine what his role will be and what the (future) requirements will be for Zeta.”

Under the planned homeroom, the Holden team was not just working on the Holden VE platform, but was performing the engineering for the various models to be put into production for each of the North American GM divisions. That work is now indefinitely on hold.

But the team was also working on versions for Europe and for Asia-Pacific and the future of those programs still has to be clarified.

“Our position is that this is not the end of the story,” Ms Perry said. “We are still working through it and it really is too early to make any definitive statements about what the future holds.”

Given GM does not intend to proceed with any North American-based vehicles off the Zeta platform, there are those who see the decision as an opportunity, especially where the Pontiac GTO is concerned.

Under the Zeta plans for North America, Holden was getting the role of engineering the Pontiac GTO. But, unlike the current export arrangement, the GTO was going to be built in North America and not in Australia.

If the US decides it still wants a GTO, the possibility could exist that the Monaro could get another life on the Zeta platform and be exported to the States out of Elizabeth, South Australia, using Australian parts.

But volumes would remain limited because of the restrictions placed on the program by the United Auto Workers union in the US and production capacity at Elizabeth.

It may also be that the US divisions could cherry-pick other limited-volume offerings from the Commodore range to ginger-up GM’s mainstream brands.

Also wanted to say I love the Monaro without the so-called "American" styling cliches. I have just bought a 2002 V2 - it was Mike Simcoe's company car and I bought it directly from Holden - it prototyped the new VZ colour Turismo blue, which for some reason is not a 2005 Pontiac GTO color? Maybe they're waiting for 2006?

See my journey to pick it up at Holden's plant at My New Monaro Webpage (http://members.fortunecity.com/ozfairlane/new_page_1.htm)