O5 gto,
Note the hood scoops and the exhaust exits on both sides. Also theres a pic of the Monaro, later this year that new Monaro will come out and get the same GTO exhaust and power.

I hope the hood scoops in the pic are a delete item. Definatly a step backwards IMO don't gel witht he rest of the vehicle. I suppose you could just buy a 04 hood.

I am definately not liking those......the whole reason i like the gto is because it does not look like the typical pontiac with all the scoops and body cladding :drevil:

I'm in the no-scoops camp as well. I definately would not have bought mine if it had them, functional or not. Just don't like the look. I would like the exhaust though.

I want scoops, but based on that one (admittedly bad) photo, I don't care for those. Hopefully we get a better quality scan and more pics from different angles.

Brian

This shot is a little bit better than the other one, at least I think I can barely make out the tips exiting on each side.

My gut just keeps saying uck even though I'd like to "like" them.

Tacky hood scoops lovers will rejoice I'm sure. TandA keeps popping up to mind. I bet he will like them. For me the jury is still out. I'll try to wait for a better shot or different angles. I just don't know.
:huh:

After a few hour break, I decided to come back and look again. I think I don't like them because of their position. I mean they're not high profile, or very wide. I think they need to be closer to the windshield. Maybe a photoshop guru could mock up a few versions for us.

If they're not for actual air intake... or at the VERY least a heat exhaust, then I don't want them either.

brian

Well they wanted hood scoops, so low and behold they look like ****, as I thought.
They look very similiar to the Grand Am's scoops, or the older GP's.

How much you want to bet that now were gunna here tons of "the hood scoops suck, not agressive enough" comments comming instead of what we had. IMO this is a big mistake, the scoops look bloody awful and it ruins the look of the car.

Tacky body cladding lovers rejoice.

As I have said (about 50 times) the fact that GM produced this car WITHOUT Hood Scoops and Dual Exit Exhaust was a very - very large mistake...every single person ... every single one ... would rather buy the new Mustang than settle for this bland car ... I really truly wanted one (GTO) ... but ... no ... now I see that they have "gotten" it ... Yes!!! This is the deal: Dual Exit exhaust and scoops ... along with perhaps the 400 hp option LS2 ... I see some hope here...sorry to all...but...this is the real deal now...2005 all the way!!!

I'd take the factory 2004 GTO over this version. Put the autocross grill on and take away the hood scoops...much more civilized and appropriate for the car's style.

Scoops just don't natch this car's lines I think. Maybe a more subtle version like the Autocross's recessed grilles, but on the hood...nothing has impressed me yet...think the car is too rounded for hood scoops to look right. Heat extractors in the hood like on my Firehawk would look killer though. :)

Very subtley styled, flows well with the rest of the car. Very old school GTO in opening and position, not at all like what dealers have installed on Grand Ams or Grand Prixs (do you guys even look at pictures of these other cars before you post those comments?).

Still, they aren't any real improvement in my mind, and wouldn't alone convince me to wait for 2005 instead of buying one now.

"Tacky hood scoops lovers will rejoice I'm sure. TandA keeps popping up to mind."

Your so sweet to be always thinking of little 'ol me. :)

I don't like them much...I don't think the Monaro's body lines roll with it...

Your so sweet to be always thinking of little 'ol me.


I couldn't help myself. So am I correct in assuming you like them? I don't want to presume to dictate what you like, but am I right? They do have a little WS6 Hood flavor to them, not a lot but a little. I'm going to look a while longer and let them grow on me. I just gotta know do you like 'em? ;)

every single person ... every single one ... would rather buy the new Mustang than settle for this bland car ...

I'm sorry, but that has to be the most blatantly thoughtless comment I've seen in a while. I don't want to get in an argument about this but what you are saying is that 100% of ALL new GTO owners would prefer to buy the new Mustang. You are DEAD wrong. If that is your opinion fine. Don't project what you think to everyone else. I can't let that comment slide. Now sure there probably are many people that prefer the new Mustangs styling over the GTO. Please, please, please tell me you didn't mean this. I'm glad you like the scoops, I guess the 2005 is more for you. And NO I don't think the GTO's styling is the greatest thing since sliced bread either. But people do like the 2004 GTO just accept it, you'll feel better. :)

Very subtley styled, flows well with the rest of the car. Very old school GTO in opening and position

TriShield, I do agree with your "subtley styled" comment. I think this is about as subtle as hood scoops can be on a GTO. I also agree with your "old school" comment. I see a little 73 NACA duct flavor as well as 68-70 scoop flavor to them also.

I think I have to disagree on the "flows well with the rest of the car", though. I admit they do fit the hood well enough, but they just seem a glaringly obvious afterthought, and that is what they are an afterthought. The more and more I look at the 2004 GTO the more I think smooth and flowing and the scoops seem to break up this flow. I'm not that artistic by nature but I'm not sure they truely flow with the lines of the car. Just my opinion though. Not meant to offend, just trying to discuss this. I hate splitting hairs over this but we gotta talk about something right?
:)

OOOPS!

I just saw your reply (TandA) on the other thread. I had missed it since it was moved to the Garbage Dump. So I have my answer. Thanks! I find your reaction interesting. :)

COOLGTO

I forgot to say, I'm all with you on the dual tips though. I'm all for symmetry and duals on one side just wont cut it. At least we can agree hopefully on that one.

TO ALL

Sorry about being a thread wh0re on this one. I just find this an interesting debate. :D

If you look at the 1969 scoops...and study them...and study them...they do start to look out of place as well...I think the Mustang Ford bozos took a look at the "most sucessful model" the 69/70 boss and worked up the 2005 model. Why did GM not do the same with the 68-70 GTO??? If it is "true" that the 2005 model comes with scoops and dual exit exhaust then they (GM) have "listened to the masses"... you can find "fault" with my comments while overlooking the picture of some guy taking a (10-100) on the new 2004 GTO??? (see T and A pic) ah ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha...I find that to be offensive...You simply can't find fault with me because if you want to call this car (2004 Holden) a GTO you MUST CONSIDER the A M E R I C A N heritage or face "new coke" syndrome...I would have welcomed this car as a Grand Prix...but think it is a "work in progress" car at this juncture...C GTO

If you look at the 1969 scoops...and study them...and study them...they do start to look out of place as well

You know, it's strange that you mention it, but I did just that, and before I read your last post too. (Spooky huh?) I think I can agree with you on that one too. They do look a bit out of place with the rest of the lines of the car. I like them on the 68-70's but maybe that is because of seeing them for years and the fact they were much more in tune with the scence back in the late 60's and early 70's.

I actually can't see TandA's sig pic right now. Last time I saw it the fella was whizzing on a Rustang. Just fine with me there.


.You simply can't find fault with me because if you want to call this car (2004 Holden) a GTO you MUST CONSIDER the A M E R I C A N heritage or face "new coke" syndrome...I would have welcomed this car as a Grand Prix...but think it is a "work in progress" car at this juncture...C GTO

I don't follow you on the first part of this one, I'm trying to see your point, could you clarify it?
As for the "work in progress" I'll agree with you on that one too. The original was truly a work in progress over it's lifespan. It evolved quite a bit. I just hope the new GTO doesn't evovle into the 74 GTO, a power challenged, Nova bodied, shaker-hood scooped, pop up tent hatchback that spelled the end of "The Legend" :angry:

Well, gotta go, I'll check back tomorrow. :)

I think the Autocross mods are better and the fact that they'll be offered thru dealers later this year is the real good news (to me anyway).

LOOKES EVEN MORE BLOATED :afro:

I actually like them myself. But we do need to see more and higher quality pictures at different angles to really get a feel for how they fit with the rest of the car.

A few other minor points.

- Notice the exhaust is one pipe per side. Not the dual pipes on each side as on the Autocross.

- The Monaro no longer has fog lights in the lower facia. They are replaced with two air intakes. The GTO keeps the fog lights.

- There is no rear spoiler on the GTO.

Originally posted by Orbit Orange@Mar 10 2004, 09:27 PM
I think I have to disagree on the "flows well with the rest of the car", though.
Well, let's wait for some much better pictures of the hood, the rear bumper exhausts, and the entire car.

:D

Originally posted by geekoid@Mar 11 2004, 12:19 AM
- There is no rear spoiler on the GTO.
Also note the Holden emblem is on the GTO's trunk lid too. The car is mule someone spied, so things may (and probably will change) before it's made official.

I'm dying waiting to hear about the rest of the car. :(

hood scoops:
from what i see, i dont like, i agree with others in that we need more pics etc, but the initial opinion is BLERGH!!!! However if they can do them and make them look great, then i am willing to reconsider. Mind you I think Mike Simcoe would have a cow over the hood scoops. He has aneough issues with a spoiler ruining the lines...let alone hood scoops :)

dual exhaust:
if i take the 04 gto and compare to the dual pipes on some firebirds/transams i have seen where the size of the pipe doesnt match the size of the space for the pipes then i am not for it, either make dual/dual pipes so they have more presence or do dual single pipes but make them a decent size so they look beefy but not ricer beefy where you could shove a whole turkey in the exhaust :D

fog lights:
my biggest issue with the exterior on the 04 is the foglights, i dont like them on the curve like they are, they almost look out of place, certainly not as bad as those saturns with the fog lights on the very outer of the front facia and the headlights sitting in the center... look really f'ed up and stupid.

autocross model:
i think the autocross is a good step forward.. gives the car a little more visual power, maybe not as strong as some want but a step forward, if the body kit was offered i would certainly give it strong consideration, but around here, depending on the free $$ i would be going for winter tires first, body kit second.

James

IMO, the biggest single improvement to the GTO's front end would be to replace the current flush-mounted grille openings with the autocross items. IIRC, these are slightly recessed, and nicely aggressive without being over the top.

I'm reserving judgement on the hood scoops until I see a better shot. I suspect they'll look ok though.

I still think the US GTO styling should have been a clone of the HSV GTO's though!

Originally posted by COOL GTO@Mar 11 2004, 03:58 AM
...You simply can't find fault with me because if you want to call this car (2004 Holden) a GTO you MUST CONSIDER the A M E R I C A N heritage
The Italians might wish to argue about the hertiage thing and the GTO name. The Holden Monaro with its track/street circuit heritage runs a lot closer to the real GTO than the one trick pony that was the orginal GTO.

Hey its already in the trash can may as well burn it :P

i'm not sure about the hood scoops, but the old GTo fans wanted them.

I still say the only good scoop is a functional scoop so I hope they're not there just for looks. If they aren't functional, I would prefer the hood I have now. I also think the Autocross upgrades look better, but that's just me.

btw, is it just me or does it look like the left tailpipe is higher up in the bumper than the right one?

This anti hood scoop sentiment is amusing. Hood sccops are deeply embedded in the heritage of the car. Period.

Remember that Fake hood scoops are deeply embedded in the heritage of the car. Period.

:D

I've had some fake scoops before that I could live with..76 Formula, 79 TA, even my 94 TA had fake scoops before I upgraded to ram air. But I think in this day and age, fake scoops just cheapens a car. I think the GTO deserves to have the real thing. Anyway, who knows...maybe those new scoops really work. Guess we'll have to wait and see.

All I can say is you can't stick hood scoops on a bland car and expect it to look muscular. Make some subtle changes in the body to make the car look more aggressive first. I hope the isn't the actual '05 model. Where are the recessed grills from the Autocross concept? I was looking forward to them... Guess I'll just sit and wait for the real pictures.

All I can say is you can't stick hood scoops on a bland car and expect it to look muscular. Make some subtle changes in the body to make the car look more aggressive first.

Good point in my estimation. I think a more aggressive styling in the sheetmetal would be far more aggressive than tacking on the scoops. I'm hoping this happens in 06 or at least at the redesign in 07.

Tri Shield

I'll still reserve judgement too until I see some better shots and at different angles to see if it flows.



:D

Originally posted by schutzhund@Mar 11 2004, 02:58 PM
This anti hood scoop sentiment is amusing. Hood sccops are deeply embedded in the heritage of the car. Period.
I had a 66 & 68 and the scoops made the cars stand out. I love the pics of the 05 hood with scoops. Can't wait to get a 05 in my garage. And for all of you that get a 05 and like the 04 hood, don't worry, just post that you will swap your 05 hood for a 04 hood and I guarantee you your inbox will be full with offers to trade.
I bet if you check the ages of the members you would find the older guys prefer the scoops and younger guys the spoiler. And for all of you that criticize the scoops if they are not functional just remember the spoilers are not functional either.
Happy Motoring

heres a better picture, i found
http://www.ls1gto.com/forums/attachment.ph...ttachmentid=595 (http://www.ls1gto.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=595)

I don't think I would trade hoods, but if anyone wants to trade trunk lids, I'd love to get one without the spoiler.

All this arguing about the new GTO needing unique styling is silly. Does no one remember that the old GTO's shared their styling with the Tempest, LeMans and even the Firebird - and those were just the ones from the Pontiac line. Hood scoops are a non-issue if they're not functional. Everyone thought the non functional scoops on the old Goats were silly, but we couldn't get the cars without them. And we all referred to the spoilers on the old Goats as the "picnic table option," that's all they were good for. The original tailpipes were only seen if you added chrome extensions, so what does it matter if they exit from both sides of the car, or just one - as long as they are true dual exhausts? It's the sound that matters. No one seems to be complaining that the new cars don't offer a dual-gate automatic or a wood-grained steering wheel. The new GTO serves the same cause as the original - a lot of power in a standard looking car. I'll gladly park my new 2004 GTO next to my '96 Ram Air (American muscle made in Canada, by the way) and the '68 GTO. If the purists like the fake scoops, let them wait until next year when the price goes up - we'll be enjoying ours now.

I think the angles provided are very bad, front and rear. Look at the lower air dam. Reminds me of a Chrysler LHS, it looks huge and "ovally" for lack of a better term. And the back looks goofy too.

We'll need more pics. I can see already though, that if you're going to add scoops, the grill should be recessed. :)

Brian

I like the 04 better, doesn't haven the tacked on hoodscoops that look out of place, and the lower rear fascia doesn't appear to hang lower then the rest of the car.

But thats all from this one picture.

I know this sounds lame, but above all else GIVE ME A STINKIN SUNROOF or God forbid T-Tops!!!!!

Why can't they just use the GTO Autocross kit, looks umteen times better.

Originally posted by stevewallace@Mar 16 2004, 02:35 AM
I know this sounds lame, but above all else GIVE ME A STINKIN SUNROOF or God forbid T-Tops!!!!!
I totally agree. A sunroof is going on my goat regardless if GM puts one on or not.
:tongue:

monaros now have the option of a sunroof so it might show up on the 05 gto.

I know the scoops didn't look great, but I liked the hood that Holden HRT put on their 427 concept. It left the hood with its sleek look and functional scoops. That's the hood I want.

I still like the recessed grilles over the hood scoops...hood scoops are becoming a little too common place, and very few cars that have them are functional...don't care if scoops were functional in the past, today, scoops that are non functional are dime a dozen...heck, even Toyota 4 Runners have hood scoops (which do look good, though). Maybe it's just that picture...I've seen scoops that people have photoshopped that look better IMO.

I've been warming up to them despite the shot being really fuzzy and at a bad angle.

I'm picturing my GTO in metallic orange with hood scoops and the Autocross body kit.

:D

I would like one single hood scoop in the center of the hood. example something like the ferrari 575 m.
http://www.ferrari.com/cgi-bin/fworld.dll/...&section=photos (http://www.ferrari.com/cgi-bin/fworld.dll/ferrariworld/scripts/gt/production/cars_oggi_image.jsp?reference=575M_MARANELLO_FRONT&listindex=2&section=photos)[

I like that AM hood... I think because the scoops are a bit further back on the hood. When do we get a clearer 05 pic!?? :P

well, I see GM did what the "masses" wanted, and I can see the reaction already. Though this site is primarily 04 GTO owners or fans of the car that liked the basic design of the GTO in the first place, its not going to give you a good image on what the "masses" really think about it. If GM listed to the masses, The GTO wouldnt be here. I dont get it. You guys want GM to listen to the masses, but then when they do and make a car for the masses like a small sedan or something, you bash it and get upset that they dont make something that not everyone likes like a V8 sports coupe!! IT NEVER ENDS!!

Anyway, back to the scoops. I keep looking at the pictues of it, and its growing on my slowly.... very slowly. I think that it looks like poo on that hood. In all honesty, if they wanted to go with a hood scoop, they should have done something more like on the 03 Cobra with the heat extractor style in the front. I dunno, it would be able to flow with the lines of the car, but also add a little flare to the front end. I do however love the dual side exhaust idea, and the possibility of the AutoX body kit making its way to the GTO as a permenent feature. The grill needs to be done. I also still would love to see the HSV Coupe4 fender flares. Totaly adds a little...flare... to the side of the car. It gives it a much more muscular look. I might have to do my own photoshop soon... :type:

It will look better in much better pictures I suspect, better than that aftermarket hood posted already.

But yes, I hope GM listens to the owners and prospective buyers of the car and not the vitriol spewed mostly on the internet.

The more I look at the hood, the more I really like it.

Especially when I picture it together with aftermarket wheels, old school style GTO stripe kits, and such.

I think GM can do a lot more to spice up the GTO's appearance then just smack on some scoops.

Found this on another site picture of the early 05 ,sorry its blurry.
http://www.micro-op.com.au/execls1/judge05.jpg

Very very nice!!

Very interesting pictures. It is hard to tell, but that looks like the Autocross front facia on this red GTO. The black section below the front bumper appears to be the same shape and the grills appear the be recessed. The front lip at the bottom of the front spoiler appears to be somewhat more pronounced than on the Autocross, however. The hood scoops seem to be streamlined into the hood quite nicely. The rear spoiler might be tall enough to be the Autocross one. Again, I am sort of guessing based on these pictures.

Overall, I like it. Thanks for the link, davis181.

'04 US Monaro LS1, 17" Ute wheels & cheapo treadwear 400 tires, no sunroof = overpriced/misbadged '04 Pontiac Tempest

'05 US Monaro LS2, scoops, bumpers, true dual exits, 18"wheels(please???)Zenons for gods sake!$35k = '05 GTO

Escalades, C6's, EvoVIII's and STi's have Zenons - why doesnt the US Monaro or any intermediate product from GM(worlds largest automaker) have them? No wonder all the people my age already buy ***, German and vote for Kerry

Tempest(current car) which alot of people are content with, should be offered for $28k while the aggressive looking 400hp '05 car should come in at the current price point - $35ish and have Zenon lighting!

Cant they just kill the gay a**(AZZ) Aztek & retool to make the Monaro platform here to drop pricing to where it should be??

my point ohh two sense for the always 5 steps behind marketing geniuses at PMD

Oh yhea - why does the short word for donkey get edited? Aussie forum wouldnt do that?

Originally posted by threepointsix@Apr 9 2004, 07:48 AM
my point ohh two sense for the always 5 steps behind marketing geniuses at PMD
That "sentence" makes no sense.

BFGoodrich g-Force KDWS may have their faults (loud as they age, need to be re-balanced occasionally), but being "cheapo" is not one of them. I know from experience. Why don't you go look at some TireRack test results and you'll quickly see that the g-Force line of tires always scores near the top of its class.

What are "Ute" wheels? You think these wheels belong on an SUV, is that what you're trying to say?

You're right that a $33k car should have at least optional HIDs. Other cars from GM around this price and more money do (CTS, Rainier, Envoy, C6). Not too many $25k *** cars have HIDs standard. But I totally agree GTO should have them, and rumor is it will because it's now an option for Monaro.

Brian

:unsure:

Guess I'm in the minority, but I don't like the look of the
04 GTO. I don't think it looks "fast and sporty" enough.
I'm all for the scoops. I'm not into "sleepers".

I like it. Looks similar to the SCT grand am GT scoops which i like.

No wonder all the people my age already buy ***, German and vote for Kerry
Okay so I'm assuming you're young like me, 20, and first of all I do like japanese and german cars, but I'm not going to buy any, and second, I probably wont vote for Kerry. The majority of my friends are the same way here at college. Not all us college kids are voting democrat and not all of us are crazy for imports and ricers. :rolleyes:

Im new...Okay, I am a goat fan and when 18 will probably get one (saving up right now) I love GTOs and other old cars. I hate *** POS and anything with a V6!

Now to my opinion, The 2004 was bland externally and internally was everything i would expect from a current interpretation of the GTO. I shure as **** hope that they keep the spoiler and do something with the foglights. The hood scoops are sweet and part of the GTO heritage so why not put them on (dont answer that anybody)!!! The exaust set up for next year is better looking and also a reseblance of the past goats.

EDIT: I hate anything with a V6 with less than 300-hp (300 for a V6 is impressive in my mind)