:afro: It's funny how you get so worked up over something and the excitement and adrenaline overcome your sense of logic. Case in point...I couldn't wait to get a new GTO and modify the hell out of it. I was so proud of Pontiac/GM for finally offering a premium luxury sports coupe. I just didn't know where to begin my mods...performance or looks.

Personally I think people are simply having selective amnesia about their older GTO's. As has often been said, this GTO is truly an evolution of the old one. Everyone B&Moaned when the 3rd/4th Gen Firebirds went to a single exhaust, but after awhile no one cared after seeing the power these things made (although I'd still like to see both sides exits). Then regarding the styling, they said it looked too much like other Pontiacs, especially the Grand Prix...well duh..it is a Pontiac. And last I checked every other GTO looked like the contemporary Grand Prix. :huh: Even so...this GTO needed to get noticed more. I was sick of people hardly giving me a look. HELLO??? I'VE GOT A NEW GTO!!! :laughbounce:

But, :rolleyes: I put all that aside and embraced this premium coupe's details. The quiet ocassional rocking idle that only gets attention when you put your foot in it. :woot: The all inclusive key/fob. The fact that my music isn't put on hold when I twist the ignition to start the engine. The dual express down windows. The ability to repeat a CD track. The ample storage areas. Quiet high speed ride and not rattles over bumps! I loved this car. Nex to the GTO, my '90 350 Formula sounded like a shoddy traveling carnival amusement ride when going over bumps.

Then the excitement died down and I took a slightly broader look at things. I wish the rear seat access was easier and I wonder if this thing has a gas tank leak b/c it sucks gas like a big block. That rear tail was a little too frumpy for my tastes. And that annoying banging in back when I powershift! And this cheesy interior mirror. WTF? AND I don't get a sunroof to enjoy my beautiful sunny days?

My mission was clear. Before I got into making a retro-uber-performance GTO, I had to fix this thing. While it would be fun to mop up a 'Stang or two along the way, my true goal was to make M3 and CLK500 owners green with envy :zap: So with that, I sought to make the GTO a true world class coupe. I wanted it to create a new legendary status.

So I designed the Xecutioner an Appearance & Performance Accent package. Our guys put in full sliding power moonroof (unlike the Monaro's), automatic dimming mirror (with compass, dual LED reading lights, and outside temp), and 18 inch wheels. Next with SLP's help we isolated that rear end clunking. Now that people are actually noticing the GTO and I can powershift without clunks, I've got the performance parts coming soon. What do you guys think?

The lack of a moonroof is one of my biggest problems with the car. I have heard very little and dont know if they will be coming from the factory with one for 05. Anyhow i like what you did with the car. Hood scoops and duel exhaust would be great. I also think that Bermuda blue is a pretty nice color.

sun roof or moon roof isnt GTO did the old one have them ? no
thats y they didnt make them with it .
But i think it would look better with one :woot:

Originally posted by silver04GTO@Jun 2 2004, 01:49 AM
sun roof or moon roof isnt GTO did the old one have them ? no
thats y they didnt make them with it .
But i think it would look better with one :woot:
"Old ones" didn't have CD-changers, IRS or bolstered buckets, either...

Originally posted by silver04GTO@Jun 2 2004, 01:49 AM
sun roof or moon roof isnt GTO did the old one have them ? no
thats y they didnt make them with it .
But i think it would look better with one :woot:
They didnt add a moonroof because it would have taken more design time such as the hood scoop issue. If they wanted to keep the new GTO close to the orginal then the exhaust and hood scoops would have been taken car of.
Also the old GTOs didnt have duel power seats, leather, 6 CD changer with 10 speakers( you were lucky to get more than 1), power windows were an option. So alot has changed.

Actually sunroofs became available on '71-73 GTO's. They are extremely rare, but they were available.

"sun roof or moon roof isnt GTO did the old one have them ? no"

Thats a stupid statement. The old GTO's were OLD technology, the new GTO is modern technology. Why compare the old and the new, all they share is the name, get over it.

im not comparing the 2 from the new to the old , just saying what i heard but never knew the old one had sun roofs but i would love to have one in my gto probably look into gettin one and i was also told they didnt put one in them cuz of the head room probably more bull schitt but people like to schitt these days lol

Sorry i was wrong im young and dumb and wasnt alive in the 70s to know all thanks for informing me .

Probably not "bull schitt". My head brushes the headliner now. A quarter-inch less headroom and I wouldn't have bought a GTO.

Yea im 6'2 and my head is up there too i know what u mean ...

:huh:

How odd...I'm 6'2 also and the only time I remember I lost some headroom is when I have my straw hat on. Otherwise I love the headroom in this car. Must be b/c I have long legs b/c my brother who is an inch short always bangs his head when he gets in!! :lol:

I'd like that rearview mirror you spoke about. The overhead lights in the mirror would be easier than reaching for the center overhead switches.

Thanks. I really wouldn't have even given it a second thought had I not previously just driven a '04 Grand Prix GT1 and absolutely hated it's cheap interior. Needless to say when I got in my GTO I realized it had the same rental car mirror..well ..adios!

i didn't buy my GTO yet was holding out for an 05 but now i still might get an 04 depending on if my car lasts.. but the sunroof thing is killin me

How Much For That Sunroof Installed!?!?!?
i live in NJ too

I posted this in the thread on the 05 GTO info.... a sunroof isn't as easy as it seems, and to be honest, with the manufacturing been done in advance in Australia a sunroof probably wont be around until they get built state side... with the Zeta architecture this becomes possible...but not a sure thing :)

James

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I didnt know the monaro had a sunroof. If it does that makes the GTOs lack of a sunroof even sader.


The stock Monaro has it as an option only, the limited edition CV8-R version has it as standard.

On the stock car it is an US$1800 (give or take) option....still interested?


Btw, as an fyi, sun roofs arent as big deal down under as they appear to be up here. Also keep in mind that the HSV cars only got a factory cut sunroof hole in the last year or so, they used to get the standard car and have the hole cut etc after the car was built, needless to say the quality wasnt as good as it could be.

James

I had mentioned to sales man that the new GTO dosent have a sunroof. He BS me buy saying that the car had to much torque. The guy was an idiot. Thats why LS1s can be found in vettes and fbodys which have ttops and even convertibles. I hate it when sales man say s*** they now is false.

:pain: BS indeed.

When I talked to a Pontiac rep I was told they didn't do it b/c they couldn't engineer on in it. Then my local Pontiac dealer told me they didn't do it b/c of rollover standards! I did all I could to keep from laughing in his face :lol: . As if that 16 x24 thin sheetmetal we removed would be the difference in crushing life and death.

The fact is...cost. They couldn't get the profit margin and target pricing in if they added a roof option.

:afro:

I love sunroofs...the fact that the GP has so many more standard options and gadgets then the GTO made settling for it much easier.

Vista Ridge Pontiac in Carrollton, Texas will put in a sunroof all day long! It's a dealer option that they do right there. I didn't know about it before I bought my GTO or I would have had them go ahead and do it and roll the cost into the car. But they told us to bring our goats up anytime and they can get it done within a few of days.

You're looking at anywhere from $1500 to $3000 depending on which sunroof you want (ie - manual or automatic or auto w/ rain sensor).