in the August issue of hotrod magazine it has an exclusive article of the new mustangs. i didnt understand if they ment the gt or the cobra, but they said it is of now 550 ponies. And still going up. All rise for the Judge. :jumpon:

It has to be the cobra version, but 550hp is way too much. I am 100% certain that the next Cobra won't even make it to 450 HP.

I could almost believe 425 hp (since it is supercharged) but there is no way Chevy would let the Cobra beat the Z06 in HP and the best estimates for the new Z06 are right around 500HP. A 550 HP Cobra is just absolute nonsense.

Speaking of the Judge.... I'm guessing that Pontiac will wait until the new GTO has sat with and been accepted by the public for a couple years... So in 2007 they will release the new bodied made in america GTO and then halfway through the year they will add the convertible option at the same time they add the Judge option. The engine of choice for the Judge will be ... the LS7... a 6.3L 500HP beast worthy of the Judge. Then the judge will adjudicate the Cobra at each and every stoplight and open stretch of road.

I imagine they were talking about the selby V10 concept and not the production Cobra as that would completly show up their halo GT40.

Im just speaking of what the print says. but you're probably right. i hope they model the '67.
Oh and i didn't proparely introduce myself. this is a fantastic site. i'll just keep all this blah to a different site. see ya on the block

Welcome to the board, you dont need to keep anything to other boards, I was ismply saying that I think they were talking about the Cobra concept version.

Originally posted by Nocturn@Aug 17 2004, 08:21 PM
Welcome to the board, you dont need to keep anything to other boards, I was ismply saying that I think they were talking about the Cobra concept version.
Yeah...I saw that on "Rides"(TLC). Everything was handmade. Bas @$$ Shelby Cobra concept.

Gotta move this one. Has nothing to do with 2005 GTO Specific Forum.

Please keep posting. :)

I could almost believe 425 hp (since it is supercharged) but there is no way Chevy would let the Cobra beat the Z06 in HP and the best estimates for the new Z06 are right around 500HP. A 550 HP Cobra is just absolute nonsense.
mustang's already falling apart at 300hp.....imagine it with 550.

This ISN'T in the 05 specific forrum. i'd know better than to post there. :hysterical:
i might not have explained well. sorry. but i am talking about the mustang model. it might be the cobra but what would be the point of that if the shelby cobra roadster is a, well cobra. So there fore it might be the new shelby g.t. series. Logically.

Ah lol, well I think I get what your saying but for future reference Im going to call the Mustang Cobra the SVT so we can clear things up. :lol:

So was this a Mustang you heard having 550HP or the Concept Shelby Cobra with a V10?

Originally posted by monaroCountry@Aug 18 2004, 02:51 AM
I could almost believe 425 hp (since it is supercharged) but there is no way Chevy would let the Cobra beat the Z06 in HP and the best estimates for the new Z06 are right around 500HP. A 550 HP Cobra is just absolute nonsense.
mustang's already falling apart at 300hp.....imagine it with 550.
nice well informed post :rolleyes:

my best guess is the svt. but at this point no body really understands, or cares.
lol :drevil: sorry about the delimna. i'll be more descriptive.

This ISN'T in the 05 specific forrum. i'd know better than to post there.

:blink: :blink: :blink:

It's not now as I moved it from the 2005 GTO Specific Forum. Doesn't make any difference as it's now in the right spot. It's alright we Moderators are supposed to do that housekeeping stuff anyway.

Keep on posting guys. :)

nice well informed post
Thank you :rolleyes: :) :) ......you know i was just j/k right? :blink:

Originally posted by monaroCountry@Aug 20 2004, 02:42 AM

nice well informed post*
Thank you :rolleyes: :) :) ......you know i was just j/k right? :blink:
well you really werent. Your just saying that. Just playing around :hysterical:

Originally posted by monaroCountry@Aug 18 2004, 02:51 AM

mustang's already falling apart at 300hp.....imagine it with 550.
That's only because the current Cobras are based on the same ancient Fox chassis that all mustangs have been built on for ages. I'd imagine that the new Mustang chassis would be able to handle that much power better than the Fox, assuming it was available.

Originally posted by DrachenGTO+Aug 22 2004, 11:45 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (DrachenGTO @ Aug 22 2004, 11:45 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-monaroCountry@Aug 18 2004, 02:51 AM

mustang's already falling apart at 300hp.....imagine it with 550.
That's only because the current Cobras are based on the same ancient Fox chassis that all mustangs have been built on for ages. I'd imagine that the new Mustang chassis would be able to handle that much power better than the Fox, assuming it was available. [/b][/quote]
he was just joking when he said that, btw.
I can vouch for how nicely the fox chasis handles horsepower. Seeing that my stepdad has had about 6 Mustang on the fox chasis all running over 400hp.

Originally posted by 1fast4d+Aug 23 2004, 06:55 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (1fast4d @ Aug 23 2004, 06:55 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by DrachenGTO@Aug 22 2004, 11:45 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-monaroCountry@Aug 18 2004, 02:51 AM

mustang's already falling apart at 300hp.....imagine it with 550.
That's only because the current Cobras are based on the same ancient Fox chassis that all mustangs have been built on for ages. I'd imagine that the new Mustang chassis would be able to handle that much power better than the Fox, assuming it was available.
he was just joking when he said that, btw.
I can vouch for how nicely the fox chasis handles horsepower. Seeing that my stepdad has had about 6 Mustang on the fox chasis all running over 400hp. [/b][/quote]
were is that cranky old *******. Havent spoken to him recently. Has he given up on forums.

Originally posted by 1964GTO+Aug 23 2004, 07:52 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (1964GTO @ Aug 23 2004, 07:52 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by 1fast4d@Aug 23 2004, 06:55 PM
Originally posted by DrachenGTO@Aug 22 2004, 11:45 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-monaroCountry@Aug 18 2004, 02:51 AM

mustang's already falling apart at 300hp.....imagine it with 550.
That's only because the current Cobras are based on the same ancient Fox chassis that all mustangs have been built on for ages. I'd imagine that the new Mustang chassis would be able to handle that much power better than the Fox, assuming it was available.
he was just joking when he said that, btw.
I can vouch for how nicely the fox chasis handles horsepower. Seeing that my stepdad has had about 6 Mustang on the fox chasis all running over 400hp.
were is that cranky old *******. Havent spoken to him recently. Has he given up on forums. [/b][/quote]
I don't really know where he is. I don't like to let my family stuff get out onto the internet. Let's just say he and my mom have decided to go their seperate ways/

he was just joking when he said that, btw.

Well, he got me! Emotion is sometimes hard to express in text.

I can vouch for how nicely the fox chasis handles horsepower. Seeing that my stepdad has had about 6 Mustang on the fox chasis all running over 400hp.

I can vouch for that too ;-) My brother's 2003 Cobra SVT currently runs around 410-420HP to the wheels on the Fox and it certainly is capable of handling the power, but regardless of that, it's still outdated compared to say the GTO's more modern Opel derived chassis.

Well, in regards to the above statements and in no particular order.

First of all, the Cobra makes about 420-425hp actual hp right now in 03/04 trim. And, as I have seen them dynoed I can vouch for this as, at the wheels, they generally dyno a few hp higher than a "rated" 405hp Z06 does. As a matter of fact, I have seen a number of 03 Cobra's and a couple of Z06's dynoed and all of the Cobra's spun more hp at the wheels than the Vette did if only slightly. (referring to stock vehicles of course.)

However, the outgoing Cobra has a bit of a reputation as a "dyno queen" and there is good cause for it. Even with the Vette's lighter weight the slight actual hp advantage and noticeable torque advantage the Cobra has would lead you to believe they should outrun a Z06 even at a few hundred lbs disadvantage. Having spent as much time at the track as at the dyno I can say this generally doesn't happen.

Chassis dynamics are the current Cobra's downfall, and the car is fairly difficult to drive well. An 03 Cobra can run a 12.6 bone stock, but not a lot of drivers can coax the car into doing it and it wont do it for them under every circumstance. The chassis of this car really seems to want a good surface and on a good day to lay down those numbers. What advantage the blower gives in torque is generally lost by the chassis.

Put simply the car is hard to "hook" well and pretty picky about under which circumstances it will do it regardless of driver. IMHO the Vette and the LS1 F-Bodies were easier to drive at their full potential even if most of them didn't have as much potential. (stock cars again of course)

That said, all of the information leaking out about the next "Cobra" (it might not even be called simply a Cobra.....with the return of Shelby GT500 is a real possibility) indicated well over 400hp. Head of SVT Coletti has already said a: the Cobra will be a "roughly" 500hp car, and b; the Cobra will make more hp than the next Lightning just as it does now. (btw, the Lightning will make 540hp this go round).

I don't think Chevy is worried about wether the Vette makes more hp than the next bad boy pony. It is my opinion that GM believe superior technology and refinement will push the Vette over the top regardless.... as it did with the Z06/03 Cobra. Wether they are correct remains to be seen.

I for one am far more interested in where the next Mach-1 falls power wise. As this is most likely the one aimed at the now 400hp Goat.

i don't care about all the technical mumbo jumbo, so.... i'm only speaking from the text so don't go complaining to me, just go to a library or something and pick up the august issue and see for you're self.
ps it said they saw a camoflauge 06' svt that is messed up.

First of all, the Cobra makes about 420-425hp actual hp right now in 03/04 trim.

Perhaps at the engine, but certainly not to the rear wheels in stock form for the '03-'04 model.

That's true atleast for the 2003 Cobra, although I don't think anything really changed between the 03-04 model years.

420- approximate at the engine, nothing changed between 03-04.

Originally posted by DrachenGTO@Aug 29 2004, 07:12 AM
First of all, the Cobra makes about 420-425hp actual hp right now in 03/04 trim.

Perhaps at the engine, but certainly not to the rear wheels in stock form for the '03-'04 model.

That's true atleast for the 2003 Cobra, although I don't think anything really changed between the 03-04 model years.
Well, I agree with you. But, just to clarify, I never said the car dynoed at 420-425hp at the wheels. I said they dyno at about 425 actual hp, and that at the wheels they dyno slightly more than the stock Z06's I have seen. The 425hp is a corrected number drawn from rwhp numbers, and I simly used "actual" in place of "crank". Sorry if it confused anyone.

And, both you and Nocturn are correct. Nothing changed between 03 and 04 Cobra powerplants.

Yeah, it was the "actual" horsepower term that got me confused, although I should have guessed that was what you were referring to. =p

Either way, the sheer on the edge of your seat rush the Cobra gives when you put your foot hard down with the rush of acceleration coupled with the supercharger whine is really something else.

I just can't wait to see what kind of a feeling my '05 GTO will give though!

were is that cranky old *******. Havent spoken to him recently. Has he given up on forums.
You talking bout me?????