You guys wanna here a joke ? One of my friends sister work at BK and u know the ricers hang out there everynite for hrs what i see a waste of time lol. Well to make things short
Some dude around in his 20 been talking about his neon fastest thing in town and around couple mods , chip , intake , exhaust , i think thats it, btw its lime green yuck! well i pull up in there sat. nite and this dude running his mouth to some other kid about going out and running at the old drag strip and i guess the kid didnt want to and the other guy was gonna put some money down on it so i go does that go for everyone ? it was just 50 bucks but still , he goes yea anyone make it a 100 bucks i dont care! then he goes what r u driving and i turn my head to look over at my car and the kids mouth dropped ! um um um um is that a gto ?
im like yea and then the story changed , funny schitt ! he felt like and A Hole and a pxuxsxsxy ! he goes i mean anyone that hangs out here id put that up not u i dont even know u dude lol im like wtf whats wrong u big baby girl talking all that schitt . then i go well u get brave let me know and i walked into bk to get a drink and they all go over to look at my car . lol i hate ricers with big mouths almost loud as there trash can of an exhaust !
Sorry not a kill but it would of been and easy one !

Are we talking an SR4/T? They are within .5 seconds to the GTO times in mags, and I'd guess he'd be a tad better than a stock GTO w/ the mods listed. But, if it's not an SR4 - different story.
Dan

All six SRT4 Neons I see running at the track here are in the mid 12s to the very low 13s. - With only Stage 2. So be careful if it is a new SRT4 - those little buggers are quick.

One guy only has Road/Drag tires and a exhaust, he is running consistant 13.2s

Yes, SRT-4's are fast. For 20 grand, they are the best bang for the buck and for an extra $3-4000, they can be pushing around 400hp with the ATP turbo kit. So watch out next time because you never know :flush:

...but at the end of the day its still a neon...nuff said

Originally posted by nick_the_brit@Sep 30 2004, 10:04 PM
...but at the end of the day its still a neon...nuff said
Yep, that is what I try to tell everyone. B)

Originally posted by nick_the_brit@Oct 1 2004, 03:04 AM
...but at the end of the day its still a neon...nuff said
To quote those younger than me - werd! :afro:

I have an 04 srt4. Its 0-60 is 5.3 and it does the quarter 13.9@103 STOCK. So it's prety much up to the driver on whos gonna win in a race stock for stock. Now before the flaming begins......I am currently selling my srt. Why you ask? 05 gto thats why. I am tired of people giving me s*** saying "it's still a neon". It's a really nice car. But I want the kickass interior of the gto. I want the v8 of the gto. And I LOVE the styling. This car is something that like the styling or not you gotta respect.

Originally posted by DANSLS1+Oct 1 2004, 07:52 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (DANSLS1 @ Oct 1 2004, 07:52 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-nick_the_brit@Oct 1 2004, 03:04 AM
...but at the end of the day its still a neon...nuff said
To quote those younger than me - werd! :afro: [/b][/quote]
:hysterical: :laughbounce: :hysterical:

I have an 04 srt4. Its 0-60 is 5.3 and it does the quarter 13.9@103 STOCK. So it's prety much up to the driver on whos gonna win in a race stock for stock. Now before the flaming begins......I am currently selling my srt. Why you ask? 05 gto thats why. I am tired of people giving me s*** saying "it's still a neon". It's a really nice car. But I want the kickass interior of the gto. I want the v8 of the gto. And I LOVE the styling. This car is something that like the styling or not you gotta respect.


Hooray, another convert! Good choice! One drive and you'll be hooked. :)

it wasnt a srt4, just dodge neon 4 door 1.8 or whatever it was
btw have u guys seen the 400 hp srt4 ?

I am a memebr of srtforums.com. Which 400hp srt are you referring to as there are quite alot of them.

THOSE SRT-4 WITH A INTERCOOLER AND BOV MAKE A 0-60 RUN IN 5.5 SECONDS AND THATS ONLY RUNNING ABOUT 250HP AT THE STRIP THEY MAKE 13.5 WITH THESE LITTLE MODS + THEY HAVE THIS STAGE 2 TURBO KIT THAT HAS TURBO TOYS AND IT JUMPS FROM 265HP FROM STOCK STAGE 2 TO 280 AND 300LBS WITH TURBO TOYS!!!

THOSE THINGS ARE HELLA FAST BUY THE GOAT ALWAYS COMES ON TOP!

they are quick once modded, but usually are most stock forced induction cars.

OK please disregard what simple tek said because he is WAY off on his info. My car 0-60 in 5.3 1/4 is 13.9 @103. And a blowoff valve does not add horsepower. A stage 2 srt will take a gto (2004). But it is unfair to compair modded cars to stock ones. So as I said please disregard the little kid that is spewing his disinformation because he want to feel special.

i got proof of that about the turbo toys it's not my fault my neighbor does 5.5 with a bov and a intercooler on his!!


look at the pics!!!!!

SRT-4 Stage 2 Turbo Upgrade Kit without Turbo Toys (P5007863)
260 hp @ 5200 rpm and 280 ft-lbs of torque @ 3600-4400 rpm

SRT-4 Stage 2 Turbo Upgrade Kit with Turbo Toys (P5007967)
265 hp @ 5200 rpm and 280 ft-lbs of torque @ 3600-4800 rpm
High Octane Mode - 280 hp @ 5200 rpm and 300 ft-lbs of torque @ 3600-4400 rpm

wish i could get the strip slip from my neighbor!!! maybe i might get it!!

Ok first of all it sounds like your neibor has a 2003. My srt is a 2004. The 2003 has smaller injectors hence less power. The 2003 also came without the quafie limited slip diff, which really helps off the line. A bov DOES NOT ADD HP!!! As far as the stage kits go those dyno results are with the mopar exhast, which is not included in the kit. The best bang for your buck is to steer clear of the stage kits and get an agp turbo kit. Much bigger possibilities there. All of the srt's that I know of that are over 400whp are using one of the agp kits.

Ok first off way to go show thoses ricers whos boss!! :woot:
Yesh guys get over the honda, the gto would win

yea SRT-4's can get mad fast! and all 4 pretty cheap. gimmie a GTO w/ STS Turbo in it anyday though.

Right now whe will add twin turbos to an Ls1 a mod chip just to make things even results? :ph34r: :eatarrow:

The SRT-4 Neon is still built/based on a $10,000 neon and at the end of the day when it is parked - it is just a Neon - nothing to get all excited about. I have seen a lot of fast little s***ty cars. This is just one of them.

they may be fast but how many want 400 modded hp on their FWD with little tires?

Dude that's awsome! :hysterical: That's exactly what the ricer owners in my town did. Untill I wooped every single 1 of there as* es Now they give respect. So if they don't bother me or run there moth that mush I won't bother them.

I paid $20,534 out the door for my New '04 GTO in December. Best buy I've ever made! With a few bolt on goodies & tune a flat 13 is very real. No way will the turbo sound as nice as the LS1. The GTO is a much more complete car. It's just not about going fast...

QUOTE*
I have an 04 srt4. Its 0-60 is 5.3 and it does the quarter 13.9@103 STOCK. So it's prety much up to the driver on whos gonna win in a race stock for stock. Now before the flaming begins......I am currently selling my srt. Why you ask? 05 gto thats why. I am tired of people giving me s*** saying "it's still a neon". It's a really nice car. But I want the kickass interior of the gto. I want the v8 of the gto. And I LOVE the styling. This car is something that like the styling or not you gotta respect.




Hooray, another convert! Good choice! One drive and you'll be hooked.*

your telling me dude, i test drove an o4 in November, just the black look alone and the bad@ss interior, i will never buy another car again, as soon as i get my goat....it is true what one of the other guys said, at the end of the day, its still just a neon.... my cousin with his trans am said that to me when i told him a turbo on my car would put him to shame (i have a 2000 buick regal, cant wait to get it out of my life), i'm a convert too....GTO here i come :afro:

Some of you guys need to get off your imaginary pedistal.
Yes at the end of the day the SRT 4 is just a neon but then again the GTO is just a rebadged Holden Monaro that looks like a Grand Am/ Grand Prix/ Bonneville. :rolleyes:
I know ...I know the GTO is better b/c it has a V8 Blah Blah Blah, dont' forget the 04 GTO and 04 SRT-4 is a drivers race.
I love all cars for what they each bring to the table, I try not to swing from the nutsack of any one brand or make. I love the new GTO but its not the end all be all of cars, remember driving a fast "Neon" might be embarrassing but driving a V8 sports coupe that can barly beat one could be considered more embarrassing


**puts on flame suit and flack jacket**

04 vs 04 is not a drivers race, the 04 SRT will hti high 13s, the stock 04 GTO has hit mid-low 13s depending on tranny/track/driver. The GM numbers are higher 13s, but most M6s have hit 13.4-13.6 stock, which is faster than I have seen a stock SRT4 report in.

Yes at the end of the day the SRT 4 is just a neon but then again the GTO is just a rebadged Holden Monaro

Thats the only factual statment in your argument. Whens the last time you saw a Monaro? Yeah, my point exactly. There is no Monaro here, so the GTO isn't a rebadge as its sister isn't sold here. Where in, the SRT is still a neon, which are a dime a dozen.

Took keep this from turning into a flame war, the SRT is a fine car, I personally like the Cobalt SS better, but they are both nice cars.

No one here is embarrassed of driving a GTO. None of us would drive a Neon, no matter how fast it is.

Originally posted by pmajon@Mar 4 2005, 05:59 PM
None of us would drive a Neon, no matter how fast it is.
Took the words right outta my mouth!

Originally posted by Nocturn@Mar 3 2005, 11:20 PM
04 vs 04 is not a drivers race, the 04 SRT will hti high 13s, the stock 04 GTO has hit mid-low 13s depending on tranny/track/driver. The GM numbers are higher 13s, but most M6s have hit 13.4-13.6 stock, which is faster than I have seen a stock SRT4 report in.

Yes at the end of the day the SRT 4 is just a neon but then again the GTO is just a rebadged Holden Monaro

Thats the only factual statment in your argument. Whens the last time you saw a Monaro? Yeah, my point exactly. There is no Monaro here, so the GTO isn't a rebadge as its sister isn't sold here. Where in, the SRT is still a neon, which are a dime a dozen.

Took keep this from turning into a flame war, the SRT is a fine car, I personally like the Cobalt SS better, but they are both nice cars.
So let me get this strait the new GTO is a exactly like a Holden Monaro except for the different BADGES but its not considered a rebadged Monaro b/c the ORIGINAL car is not sold here.....riiiight :rolleyes:

an 04 SRT-4 run about an average of 14.2 and 04 GTOs run about a 14 flat, if you think 0.2 of a second is not a drivers racer, you have serious issues. I'm not talking about a miricle car that ran on a miricle track with a miricle driver I'm talking about your average driver on an average day.

Just to clarify I said that I love the new GTO but after reading this post some of the owners have a holier than thou attitude and i was just saying that the GTO is not Gods chariot.

yes the Cobalt SS is pretty cool but i think it has very low HP for a performance oriented supercharged car.

Originally posted by st8gunner+Mar 4 2005, 06:04 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (st8gunner @ Mar 4 2005, 06:04 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-pmajon@Mar 4 2005, 05:59 PM
None of us would drive a Neon, no matter how fast it is.
Took the words right outta my mouth! [/b][/quote]
Yep me also!

Originally posted by L9ITUP+Mar 4 2005, 06:20 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (L9ITUP @ Mar 4 2005, 06:20 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Nocturn@Mar 3 2005, 11:20 PM
04 vs 04 is not a drivers race, the 04 SRT will hti high 13s, the stock 04 GTO has hit mid-low 13s depending on tranny/track/driver. The GM numbers are higher 13s, but most M6s have hit 13.4-13.6 stock, which is faster than I have seen a stock SRT4 report in.

Yes at the end of the day the SRT 4 is just a neon but then again the GTO is just a rebadged Holden Monaro

Thats the only factual statment in your argument. Whens the last time you saw a Monaro? Yeah, my point exactly. There is no Monaro here, so the GTO isn't a rebadge as its sister isn't sold here. Where in, the SRT is still a neon, which are a dime a dozen.

Took keep this from turning into a flame war, the SRT is a fine car, I personally like the Cobalt SS better, but they are both nice cars.
So let me get this strait the new GTO is a exactly like a Holden Monaro except for the different BADGES but its not considered a rebadged Monaro b/c the ORIGINAL car is not sold here.....riiiight :rolleyes:

an 04 SRT-4 run about an average of 14.2 and 04 GTOs run about a 14 flat, if you think 0.2 of a second is not a drivers racer, you have serious issues. I'm not talking about a miricle car that ran on a miricle track with a miricle driver I'm talking about your average driver on an average day.

Just to clarify I said that I love the new GTO but after reading this post some of the owners have a holier than thou attitude and i was just saying that the GTO is not Gods chariot.

yes the Cobalt SS is pretty cool but i think it has very low HP for a performance oriented supercharged car. [/b][/quote]
:hysterical:

The average Neon runs 14.28 and the average GTO runs 13.77 ON SNOW TIRES!

That is not drivers race.... that is .51 seconds!

Is it a fast car - yeah ok - so is my buddies Chevette = but you would not catch me dead in that either!

No one here is all-mighty, we just all appreciate the fact that just because a car is fast does not make it a "good" car.

Your better off taking your Neon SRT-4 mumbo-jumbo to a 2005 Ford Mustang GT forum. where the fit and finish is about the same :hysterical: -- No way is the fit and finish of a Neon anywhere near the GTO -

So as I said before - Easy to make a car go faster but hard to make a car be better. - in other words, I can always make my Goat faster but your neon will never be as nice as my Goat. THE TRUTH HURTS!

Originally posted by pmajon@Mar 4 2005, 05:59 PM
I was exposing the ignorance of your statement in words you can understand. No one here is embarrassed of driving a GTO. None of us would drive a Neon, no matter how fast it is.
Reading comprehension > you. I never said that driving a GTO is embarrassing I said that barly beating a Neon or losing to one is.

Originally posted by L9ITUP@Mar 4 2005, 06:20 PM
Just to clarify I said that I love the new GTO but after reading this post some of the owners have a holier than thou attitude and i was just saying that the GTO is not Gods chariot.
No one here thinks the GTO is God's chariot. God's chariot runs low 7's stock.

We're just a bunch of guys excited about a car that has been brought back after a long sabbatical. We're having fun, and it's human nature to poke fun at the other guys.

I'm sure that the SRT-4 is a fine automobile. We're just not into buying cars with half an engine.

Originally posted by L9ITUP+Mar 4 2005, 06:29 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (L9ITUP @ Mar 4 2005, 06:29 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-pmajon@Mar 4 2005, 05:59 PM
I was exposing the ignorance of your statement in words you can understand. No one here is embarrassed of driving a GTO. None of us would drive a Neon, no matter how fast it is.
Reading comprehension > you. I never said that driving a GTO is embarrassing I said that barly beating a Neon or losing to one is. [/b][/quote]
Again to retort -

no to us it is not;

we paid 25ish to 30ish for a 30K car --- you paid 22kis for a 10K car! - if a 10K car passes me on the highway that put 10K into his car to be faster, he deserves it, but I will still laugh :hysterical:

Originally posted by TheJizzer@Mar 4 2005, 06:28 PM

The average Neon runs 14.28 and the average GTO runs 13.77 ON SNOW TIRES!

That is not drivers race.... that is .51 seconds!

Is it a fast car - yeah ok - so is my buddies Chevette = but you would not catch me dead in that either!

No one here is all-mighty, we just all appreciate the fact that just because a car is fast does not make it a "good" car.

Your better off taking your Neon SRT-4 mumbo-jumbo to a 2005 Ford Mustang GT forum. where the fit and finish is about the same :hysterical: -- No way is the fit and finish of a Neon anywhere near the GTO -

So as I said before - Easy to make a car go faster but hard to make a car be better. - in other words, I can always make my Goat faster but your neon will never be as nice as my Goat. THE TRUTH HURTS!
So you're gonna sit there with a strait face and tell me that a stock 04 GTO can run alot better then a 13.77 so does that mean that a 05 can run low 13 or even possibly 12s, So the GTO can run with an SVT Cobra even though it weighs a few hundred pounds more. :hysterical:

The classic argument when you have no come back, "Oh yeah, at least i have a nicer interior"

:blink: erm Yes the interior and exterior on the GTO is not better - it is WAY better.

As for the speed I said the AVERAGE - many reasons for an average -- mostly due to the fact that the GTO is shipped with Snow tires. And yes I have seen 2004 GTOs (stock) run 13.3 -

Best I ever seen a stock Neon run is 14.18 --

As for the Cobra -- That is a Vette cost vehicle...... and still it is also built on a 22K Mustang -- so it is in the same boat as a Neon -- just a Mustang at the end of the day. :hysterical:

As I said, most M6 GTO owners can hit mid 13s, 13.3-13.6 being most common. THe published numbers are 14.0 @ 105, but those are GMs numbers, not actual numbers.

The GM numbers for the 05 GTO are 13.0 @ 108-109. Very well being 03 Cobra territory, and sub 13s with good driver/sticky tires.

Yes the GTO is a rebadged Monaro, but the Monaro isn't sold here so it's not really a rebadge.

Secondly, the Monaro in every other country cost 50K+ so saying its a rebadged Monaro isn't a bad thing, or an insult as you are using it.


The SRT4 is a great car for the money, but its in a different league than the GTO, the two literally have nothing in common. The Cobalt SS uses a smaller engine so im not surprised that it has less power, it should still be a good rivalry.

Lets not turn this into a further flame war or else I will be forced to close this.

News flash! there have already been a few (stock) 05s in the 12s.

Originally posted by Zeke0123@Mar 7 2005, 12:39 PM
News flash! there have already been a few 05s in the 12s.
;)

They're both great cars for their respective market segments, the ones that wanted a GTO bought a GTO and the SRT-4 guys bought SRT-4s. The old saying "there's an a** for every seat" holds true once again. Just never underestimate an SRT-4, if it's modded it could own you pretty bad. Respect each car for what it is and both cars are a great value for the $$. The "it's only a Neon" and "the GTO is only .2 quicker(becuase I race magazines instead of real cars)" comments are pretty old, if you have to come up with excuses because you're insecure about your car or manhood then there are underlying personal issues that a psychiatrist would be more suited to help you with than an internet forum. I'll patiently await the e-thug comments that are sure to follow this post :lol:

Originally posted by TEK GTO@Mar 8 2005, 11:41 PM
They're both great cars for their respective market segments, the ones that wanted a GTO bought a GTO and the SRT-4 guys bought SRT-4s. The old saying "there's an a** for every seat" holds true once again. Just never underestimate an SRT-4, if it's modded it could own you pretty bad. Respect each car for what it is and both cars are a great value for the $$. The "it's only a Neon" and "the GTO is only .2 quicker(becuase I race magazines instead of real cars)" comments are pretty old, if you have to come up with excuses because you're insecure about your car or manhood then there are underlying personal issues that a psychiatrist would be more suited to help you with than an internet forum. I'll patiently await the e-thug comments that are sure to follow this post :lol:
Very well said.

Different strokes for Different folks, If you have the car you want, be happy with it despite what others think, you bought it, not them.

Originally posted by Muff Daddy@Oct 4 2004, 12:59 PM
OK please disregard what simple tek said because he is WAY off on his info. My car 0-60 in 5.3 1/4 is 13.9 @103. And a blowoff valve does not add horsepower. A stage 2 srt will take a gto (2004). But it is unfair to compair modded cars to stock ones. So as I said please disregard the little kid that is spewing his disinformation because he want to feel special.
See, the problem is you just don't want to face the facts the the GTO can be taken. Un-modded or otherwise. Any "Racer" is going to do some aftermarket parts, whether it be a CAI or Exhaust, whatever, theres a change in HP. If you can't see that your blind. You wanna stay stock, that's your choice, Don't down those who are willing to put some money into there car to make it better. And that's GTO, GTP, SRT4, Mustang, whatever. I love you GTO guy's and all the **** about stock, stock, stock. You change plug wires and make them better your modding the car. Get a grip and stop whining about us that want to mod our cars and blow the competition away. If I pull up to the drag strip with my modded car and someone pulls up with an un-modded car, guess what. I win. thats that.

Originally posted by TEK GTO@Mar 9 2005, 12:41 AM
They're both great cars for their respective market segments, the ones that wanted a GTO bought a GTO and the SRT-4 guys bought SRT-4s. The old saying "there's an a** for every seat" holds true once again. Just never underestimate an SRT-4, if it's modded it could own you pretty bad. Respect each car for what it is and both cars are a great value for the $$. The "it's only a Neon" and "the GTO is only .2 quicker(becuase I race magazines instead of real cars)" comments are pretty old, if you have to come up with excuses because you're insecure about your car or manhood then there are underlying personal issues that a psychiatrist would be more suited to help you with than an internet forum. I'll patiently await the e-thug comments that are sure to follow this post :lol:
Well said

Originally posted by Yougottabekiddingme+Mar 14 2005, 07:48 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Yougottabekiddingme @ Mar 14 2005, 07:48 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Muff Daddy@Oct 4 2004, 12:59 PM
OK please disregard what simple tek said because he is WAY off on his info. My car 0-60 in 5.3 1/4 is 13.9 @103. And a blowoff valve does not add horsepower. A stage 2 srt will take a gto (2004). But it is unfair to compair modded cars to stock ones. So as I said please disregard the little kid that is spewing his disinformation because he want to feel special.
See, the problem is you just don't want to face the facts the the GTO can be taken. Un-modded or otherwise. Any "Racer" is going to do some aftermarket parts, whether it be a CAI or Exhaust, whatever, theres a change in HP. If you can't see that your blind. You wanna stay stock, that's your choice, Don't down those who are willing to put some money into there car to make it better. And that's GTO, GTP, SRT4, Mustang, whatever. I love you GTO guy's and all the **** about stock, stock, stock. You change plug wires and make them better your modding the car. Get a grip and stop whining about us that want to mod our cars and blow the competition away. If I pull up to the drag strip with my modded car and someone pulls up with an un-modded car, guess what. I win. thats that. [/b][/quote]
The reason we only compare stock to stock, is that to compare a stock car to a non stock car inputs to many varialbles, what mod they got, what other mods they have, if the car is tunned for the new mods, if it altered the power band, if the driver is used tot he new power and knows how to drive with its new advantage etc etc. Not to mention that it usually voids the warrenty and most arn't going to mod a car if it does void it.

Thus it makes more sence, and is easier to compare stock cars.

Either way stock or mod for mod the GTO is the faster car.

Originally posted by Nocturn@Mar 15 2005, 12:41 AM
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The reason we only compare stock to stock, is that to compare a stock car to a non stock car inputs to many varialbles, what mod they got, what other mods they have, if the car is tunned for the new mods, if it altered the power band, if the driver is used tot he new power and knows how to drive with its new advantage etc etc. Not to mention that it usually voids the warrenty and most arn't going to mod a car if it does void it.

Thus it makes more sence, and is easier to compare stock cars.

Either way stock or mod for mod the GTO is the faster car. [/quote]
Again though what does that matter when you meet up with this guy on the street. You say that the GTO will take him. Not necessarily true. O.K. do take a stock vs. stock, if the SRT/4 has those actual numbers and is .2 behind the GTO, what if the SRT/4 outdrives his opponents. There are variables all over the place. Different gas, oil, weather, tires. Hell put the same driver in two different cars with matching numbers and your going to have different numbers. Your making excuses. I've noticed that throughout all of these forums. Yes the GTO is a fast car no doubt, but you have to give props to the SRT/4 and any other car out there that can compete with the GTO. I've been told this way two many times and sadly it's been proven, No matter haw fast you think you are there is always somebody out there faster.
I quess that can hold true whether in a crazed out Turbo 4 banger or in you Stock LS1.

Originally posted by Yougottabekiddingme@Mar 15 2005, 12:54 PM
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The reason we only compare stock to stock, is that to compare a stock car to a non stock car inputs to many varialbles, what mod they got, what other mods they have, if the car is tunned for the new mods, if it altered the power band, if the driver is used tot he new power and knows how to drive with its new advantage etc etc. Not to mention that it usually voids the warrenty and most arn't going to mod a car if it does void it.

Thus it makes more sence, and is easier to compare stock cars.

Either way stock or mod for mod the GTO is the faster car.
Again though what does that matter when you meet up with this guy on the street. You say that the GTO will take him. Not necessarily true. O.K. do take a stock vs. stock, if the SRT/4 has those actual numbers and is .2 behind the GTO, what if the SRT/4 outdrives his opponents. There are variables all over the place. Different gas, oil, weather, tires. Hell put the same driver in two different cars with matching numbers and your going to have different numbers. Your making excuses. I've noticed that throughout all of these forums. Yes the GTO is a fast car no doubt, but you have to give props to the SRT/4 and any other car out there that can compete with the GTO. I've been told this way two many times and sadly it's been proven, No matter haw fast you think you are there is always somebody out there faster.
I quess that can hold true whether in a crazed out Turbo 4 banger or in you Stock LS1. [/quote]
I never diputed the car was not fast. All I said was that it is just a Neon. It is a 10K car sold for 20+K - it gets lousy crash ratings and is a econo box.

Fast ok - so. There is way more to a car to me than fast. And a Neon or a SRT4 has none of them except speed IMHO!
Now I can also say this. A person, any person, has a Neon (a $10K car) and puts $12K in to it to make it fast and calls it a SRT-4 or what ever he wants to call it... that person deserves to beat me and should! Heck just aobut any car that some one puts $12K in to it better be beating me!

Now I am also not saying that the GTO is the best car out there...I would take a Vette but I have a family ;) and I need the back seat for the kiddies.

Originally posted by pmajon@Mar 4 2005, 05:36 PM
I'm sure that the SRT-4 is a fine automobile. We're just not into buying cars with half an engine.
:lol:.... :beer:

Originally posted by TheJizzer@Mar 15 2005, 01:44 PM
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The reason we only compare stock to stock, is that to compare a stock car to a non stock car inputs to many varialbles, what mod they got, what other mods they have, if the car is tunned for the new mods, if it altered the power band, if the driver is used tot he new power and knows how to drive with its new advantage etc etc. Not to mention that it usually voids the warrenty and most arn't going to mod a car if it does void it.

Thus it makes more sence, and is easier to compare stock cars.

Either way stock or mod for mod the GTO is the faster car.
Again though what does that matter when you meet up with this guy on the street. You say that the GTO will take him. Not necessarily true. O.K. do take a stock vs. stock, if the SRT/4 has those actual numbers and is .2 behind the GTO, what if the SRT/4 outdrives his opponents. There are variables all over the place. Different gas, oil, weather, tires. Hell put the same driver in two different cars with matching numbers and your going to have different numbers. Your making excuses. I've noticed that throughout all of these forums. Yes the GTO is a fast car no doubt, but you have to give props to the SRT/4 and any other car out there that can compete with the GTO. I've been told this way two many times and sadly it's been proven, No matter haw fast you think you are there is always somebody out there faster.
I quess that can hold true whether in a crazed out Turbo 4 banger or in you Stock LS1.
I never diputed the car was not fast. All I said was that it is just a Neon. It is a 10K car sold for 20+K - it gets lousy crash ratings and is a econo box.

Fast ok - so. There is way more to a car to me than fast. And a Neon or a SRT4 has none of them except speed IMHO!
Now I can also say this. A person, any person, has a Neon (a $10K car) and puts $12K in to it to make it fast and calls it a SRT-4 or what ever he wants to call it... that person deserves to beat me and should! Heck just aobut any car that some one puts $12K in to it better be beating me!

Now I am also not saying that the GTO is the best car out there...I would take a Vette but I have a family ;) and I need the back seat for the kiddies. [/quote]
Well to add on a bit.

Yes there is some room for driver ability, but numbers and comparisons give us a general idea.

Yes the Neon might outdrive his opponent, but 9 out of 10 times a GTO will win because its a faster car stock.

No one is saying the neon isnt a fast car, or a great car to mod..but Most of us buy a car thats more of a complete package, and less of an engine with wheels (which was what the fbody was, and the SRT tends to be)

Were not making excuses we are just going on probability. To go to the extreme, put a Prosche Carrera GT against a Z06. 9 times out of 10 the Carrera will win, but that 10th time the Z may out launch or drive the Carrera, but its just very unlikely that the Z will win.

The SRT is a fine car, but the GTO is just a better car, and should be for the price increase.

Ok, this post is bringing out all of our bad sides... Think of it this way... you mod your car; you lose money in the end... I had a GTP and modded the hell out of it... and when the warranty was up, I had a few problems that cost me alot of money... thats what I get... so now, I have a GTO that has plenty of power and is in stock form, so I know that I have a better chance of things staying together in the end...

Those of you that are buying a Neon and putting all that money into it and getting all that power, cheers :friday: ... but when it comes down to it, you are going to have neon parts sitting around your house after you sell it or you will not get what you put into it...

Its all financial to me... and I could never justify putting all that money into something that loses so much value every day... I can see putting better tires on... but that is a maintanance issue in the end... so it is justifiable in the end.

Dont get me wrong, I had a very fast GTP, but it isnt worth spending all that money unless you are Truely going to keep it forever B) and we know that they are always going to release faster and faster cars... so race and have fun... if a Neon beats you... congratulate him and laugh on the way home because your wallet is full of money and theirs isnt. :P

All of this **** reminds me of the analogy a friend of mine made about a girl he knows. His nickname for her is ," Moped ". Thats because they are fun to ride, but nobody want to be seen with one.................

The SRT-4 is in fact not just a Neon at the end of the day. Dodge was very careful not to market the SRT-4 as a Neon. In fact Dodge did not even put Neon on the factory window stickers until 05. The only comparison between the SRT-4 and neon is body panels. Diferent engine, suspension, technology. Belive me, I thought all the SRT-4 was an Neon with a turbo. Now I work for a Dodge Dealership in the high performance sales dept. Still refuse to trade in my GTO for the SRT-10 Ram. Told the owner he couldn't give me the SRT-10 Ram in exchange for my GTO because I don't even want to pay the tax / reg for it. The GTO is my son's car and he still has three months in the womb. I am going to have a rough preschool year with him. "What does a cow say?" "MOOO" "What does a kitty say?" "Meow!" "What does a goat say?" "VRRRRRROOOOOMMMMMMMMMMMMMM!!!" Too bad he has to wait for graduatin day for this gift.

LS6 GTO M6 BLK/BLK

Originally posted by crumstyle@May 31 2005, 05:13 PM
The SRT-4 is in fact not just a Neon at the end of the day. Dodge was very careful not to market the SRT-4 as a Neon. In fact Dodge did not even put Neon on the factory window stickers until 05. The only comparison between the SRT-4 and neon is body panels. Diferent engine, suspension, technology. Belive me, I thought all the SRT-4 was an Neon with a turbo. Now I work for a Dodge Dealership in the high performance sales dept. Still refuse to trade in my GTO for the SRT-10 Ram. Told the owner he couldn't give me the SRT-10 Ram in exchange for my GTO because I don't even want to pay the tax / reg for it. The GTO is my son's car and he still has three months in the womb. I am going to have a rough preschool year with him. "What does a cow say?" "MOOO" "What does a kitty say?" "Meow!" "What does a goat say?" "VRRRRRROOOOOMMMMMMMMMMMMMM!!!" Too bad he has to wait for graduatin day for this gift.

LS6 GTO M6 BLK/BLK
The SRT is infact a neon, just as the SRT10 is infact a ram.

They share the same body panels, frame, chassis, suspension, options etc..

As much as one wants to declare they arn't the same, they are.

A Cobalt SS is still a Cobalt, even if its badged an SLP4 SS..

Originally posted by crumstyle@May 31 2005, 06:13 PM
The GTO is my son's car and he still has three months in the womb. I am going to have a rough preschool year with him. "What does a cow say?" "MOOO" "What does a kitty say?" "Meow!" "What does a goat say?" "VRRRRRROOOOOMMMMMMMMMMMMMM!!!" Too bad he has to wait for graduatin day for this gift.

LS6 GTO M6 BLK/BLK
:hysterical: :hysterical: :hysterical:

The GTO is my son's car and he still has three months in the womb. I am going to have a rough preschool year with him. "What does a cow say?" "MOOO" "What does a kitty say?" "Meow!" "What does a goat say?" "VRRRRRROOOOOMMMMMMMMMMMMMM!!!"
:hysterical: That's great. Unfortunately Dodge beat you to it - But I like your idea better!

the holden monaro is also a legend and one of the best performance cars in australia.. the neon is a s***ty 4 banger there is no comparison there..

all i have to say is slap a supercharger on your goat and fret not ..

my friend owns an srt-4 and ive had the displeasure of driving it.. the best comparison i can make to my gto is the srt-4 is like driving a box of matches with the engine of a lawn mower and the goat is like driving an anvil with the engine of a fighter jet.

in the end its not how fast you go as it is the thrill of the ride.. and the gto delivers on that better than any car with few exceptions..

some headers here a cai there and the goat will have no trouble with anything

Where in gods name are you people getting these numbers!?
The Fastest 04 GTO Times on stock ruber removing nothing have been 13.1 SLP and some guy from another forum named Nikiveee or somthing have done this. Does that mean everyone can do it. NO but the car is capable of it. Most people can get between a 13.5 and 13.8 no problem. What is the fastest STOCK EVERYTHING EVEN TIRE PSI recorded time for the srt-4 13.9 14 flat? I wouldnt know because I dont troll over on your fourm but the point is Worst GTO driver vs best srt 4 driver the GTO is gonna barely win. Is that what you call a drivers race? when the fastest car has the worst driver and the slowest has the best!? What if the GTO driver runs constant 13.3 or 13.4 and the srt 4 driver can't drive for s*** then what......??? That would be funny. Keep the comparisions real. either do avg. driver vs. avg driver. slowest driver vs. slowest driver or fastest vs. fastest. that being said the gto is atleast .5 faster than the srt-4 prolly .7 or .8 with a great driver behind both wheels. So stop f***ing around and making your car sound better than it is.