Sorry to get you all excited...no I didn't kill one YET. :D I'm just curious if anyone has had an encounter yet. Don't be ashamed if you screwed up...just wondering how fast they are. ;)

I'm pretty sure this hasn't happened yet because I know you'd be scrambling to get home to post it! :woot:

Originally posted by 04GOATGERM@Oct 3 2004, 03:53 AM
Sorry to get you all excited...no I didn't kill one YET. :D I'm just curious if anyone has had an encounter yet. Don't be ashamed if you screwed up...just wondering how fast they are. ;)

I'm pretty sure this hasn't happened yet because I know you'd be scrambling to get home to post it! :woot:
Only a poor driver will lose to one, we can handle it. The only new mustang i know i cant beat is a cobra.

It will be around current Mach 1 pewer wise, should be close enough.

The SALEEN S281's SC and 2003-2004 Cobras will smoke us 04 owners (assuming we are bone stock).....................but Saleens are so rare I wouldn't really worry about them. As for the 05 Stangs, I can't wait to pull up on one of them. :D I'm pretty sure Ford isn't releasing a 05 Cobra the first year??? Am I right?
I think a 05 GTO will beat the SALEEN s281 SC stock for stock.
Cobras are fast yea..................but they will always be a no-class piece of s*** to me. lol :hysterical:

EDDIE

The Cobra wont be intorudced untill 06-07, and I am also pretty certain that the 05 will beat a Saleen/03 cobra.

I feel the same way as you 2 guys do.

Originally posted by 1964GTO+Oct 3 2004, 11:39 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (1964GTO @ Oct 3 2004, 11:39 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-04GOATGERM@Oct 3 2004, 03:53 AM
Sorry to get you all excited...no I didn't kill one YET. :D I'm just curious if anyone has had an encounter yet. Don't be ashamed if you screwed up...just wondering how fast they are. ;)

I'm pretty sure this hasn't happened yet because I know you'd be scrambling to get home to post it! :woot:
Only a poor driver will lose to one, we can handle it. The only new mustang i know i cant beat is a cobra. [/b][/quote]
What is the 0-60 on a new Cobra... I've always wondered?

4.7 approx.

Just to let you all know. I read the new motor trend where it tested the 05 Auto. The numbers are not bad at all. These numbers below are for the 05 Automatic.

0-60 5.1 Seconds....Quicker than the Goat
1/4 time 13.6@99.9.....about that of the Goat
Curb Weight 3530....so it has 200 pounds on us.

The Mach 1, only ran a 5.6 to 60.

They also state that they think the low mph trap speed was because of the drive ration in 4 and would be 5th gear. This allows for better gas mileage and not so much pull.

What do you think of the number?

It is still too early to have raced an 05 Mustang GT, as they just got the ok to ship. (And I mean just got....as in Friday if I am correct.)

I've only seen m-plated vehicles so far (Ford employees driving). None of them will line up - they just mostly look at the goat and sneer.
Dan

Originally posted by DANSLS1@Oct 4 2004, 12:07 PM
None of them will line up - they just mostly look at the goat and sneer.
Dan
L O L!!! :lol:

Jealous...you think? :rolleyes:

not with the numbers they put down. I thought that you gto owners were above this.

A new GT should take the Goat... maybe a trip to Lingenfelter is in order?

Originally posted by KMK454@Oct 8 2004, 08:08 PM
A new GT should take the Goat... maybe a trip to Lingenfelter is in order?
the new GT will not take the 04 Goat. And it will be even further behind an 05 goat.

Originally posted by 1964GTO@Oct 8 2004, 08:44 PM
the new GT will not take the 04 Goat. And it will be even further behind an 05 goat.
No bias here at all :D
Motortrend already says directly that the '05 GT is quicker than the '04 goat...but it's a close call well within driver variation. However, the GTO does have a definate aftermarket advantage with a bigger displacement LS1 engine that loves to be modded, no Lingenfilter required!

Originally posted by forestdweller+Oct 8 2004, 10:08 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (forestdweller @ Oct 8 2004, 10:08 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-1964GTO@Oct 8 2004, 08:44 PM
the new GT will not take the 04 Goat.* And it will be even further behind an 05 goat.
No bias here at all :D
Motortrend already says directly that the '05 GT is quicker than the '04 goat...but it's a close call well within driver variation. However, the GTO does have a definate aftermarket advantage with a bigger displacement LS1 engine that loves to be modded, no Lingenfilter required! [/b][/quote]
I think they'll be close, driver skill is really gonna have an effect. but what do I know, I'm just the 16 year old with the ****py import?

Originally posted by GTOWannabe@Oct 8 2004, 10:51 PM
not with the numbers they put down. I thought that you gto owners were above this.
If you notice - I made no attempt to explain the sneering - just pointed out it's all I've gotten out of the 1/2 dozen '05 driver's I've seen on the streets. I find it curious - but I also am not sure if the cars I've seen are GT's or not. At least one of them at a pretty nice exhaust note though. Much better than the hiss of a stock SVT.
Dan

Originally posted by DANSLS1+Oct 9 2004, 07:31 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (DANSLS1 @ Oct 9 2004, 07:31 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-GTOWannabe@Oct 8 2004, 10:51 PM
not with the numbers they put down. I thought that you gto owners were above this.
If you notice - I made no attempt to explain the sneering - just pointed out it's all I've gotten out of the 1/2 dozen '05 driver's I've seen on the streets. I find it curious - but I also am not sure if the cars I've seen are GT's or not. At least one of them at a pretty nice exhaust note though. Much better than the hiss of a stock SVT.
Dan [/b][/quote]
did u race an 05 mustang GT yet? :huh:

Originally posted by 1964GTO+Oct 9 2004, 03:25 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (1964GTO @ Oct 9 2004, 03:25 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by DANSLS1@Oct 9 2004, 07:31 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-GTOWannabe@Oct 8 2004, 10:51 PM
not with the numbers they put down.* I thought that you gto owners were above this.
If you notice - I made no attempt to explain the sneering - just pointed out it's all I've gotten out of the 1/2 dozen '05 driver's I've seen on the streets. I find it curious - but I also am not sure if the cars I've seen are GT's or not. At least one of them at a pretty nice exhaust note though. Much better than the hiss of a stock SVT.
Dan
did u race an 05 mustang GT yet? :huh: [/b][/quote]
book to book
going by motortrend here
the '05 GT mustang is a 5.1 sec 0-60
which is faster the than gto
love the gto but fact is fact
05 goat will eat it though

0-60 is not a race, 1/4 mile is a race. the 0-60 on a GTO is hurt to much but its smaller rear tires to get a real measurement of the actual performance of a GTO.

If your thinking an 05 GT will beat a GTO, expect to maybe put a car on one till about 75-80, after that I advice a GT to declare his victory, or risk loosing it.

We all know the LS1's powerband is in the higher revs, combine this with the gear ratios (this is duscussed int he competition section's 05 mustang topic) and the GTO has an obvious higher speed advantage over the stang.

And to notice, Motortrend Thinks thats why it has the low trap speed, facts are the Automatic is geared for greater acceleration than the Standard variant in 3 of its 4 gears, with the exception being that the standard has a shorter first gear.

So the jury is still out, untill a direct comparison is placed, and some honest street results are known to the public, then its all bench racing.

A Few Facts About Racing Mustangs
*1990's
Earlier still the second gen body T/A wasn't guaranteed to win
*4th Generation T/A (LS1) against any mustang, and the T/A will win

*Later Races 02 WS6, vs. 02-03 Mustang GT-Mach 1
The T/A will win just about every time with a manual tranny.Guaranteed

*WS6 vs. Cobra
This is an odd comparison that is kinda weird but it is true,
This race (despite power differences) comes down to the driver
It depends on the Cobra's driver, you see The cobra's are severely limited in traction.

In the year 2000 the WS6 was the fifth fastest (not most powerful) Production car in this order

*Dodge Viper
*Ferrari M???
*??McClaren??? (possibly BMW can't recall exactly)
* LS6 Corvette
*WS6 Trans AM

So naturally in the years 2000, 2001, 2002 the WS6 could potentially win.
Beleive it or not I have witnessed a 2000 WS6 Beat an '03 Cobra.
Possible by the hole shot, the WS6 easily gets that and by the time the Cobra rolls off it's to late and it can't close the gap at all, in fact it reaches a point, pauses then gets bigger.

Here is what seems to be a little known fact based on what people say in comparison of the GTO - Mustang - Trans AM


Trans Am vs. Mustang
*In the LS1's days despite having a bit more power it also had superior gearing in the transmission and rear end, better suspension and tires, not to mention a somewhat lighter more balanced body.
*And of course the T/A had more power at the wheels

GTO vs. Mustang
*GTO has more power.
*GTO has slightly better gears but not quite as efficient to the car as the Trans Am had for its engineering (remember its just a carryover transmission)
*Well of course Ford improved the Mustangs gearing and it is more comparable to what the GTO and Trans Am have.
*And naaturally the Mustangs lightweight allows it to compare
*But Mach 1's consistently don't run the 13.51 driven in magazines, it runs more consistent around 14.1-13.7ish
*The GTO runs consistently (m6) 13.8-13.5 but remember that doesn't guarantee, the mach 1 is still capable of that 13.5 as is the GTO so its a drivers race some 60% of the time


Last but not least and maybe for the last time...........

GTO vs. Trans Am
*The GTO sports more power under the hood as well as more torque
*But the T/A gets that edge with a lighter body and better traction
*GTO gets tighter transmission (m6)
*But here's where a lot of people get lost...........

GTO
350hp 365ft-lb tq
At The Wheels
265-275 about same with hp and torque

Trans Am
325hp 335ft-lb tq
At The Wheels
305+ tq and hp

Ah ha

So thats why the T/A is generally faster

So the 04 GTO against this 2005 300hp GT Mustang is shady still suspension improvements are iminent, along with possiblr better gearing

It should be close, very close

but remember its not an even race when you think about it 04 GTO vs. 05 Mustang

An 04 model against an 05 model

Just you wait until its 05 against 05

Then all this bickering will cease and the true return of the muscle legend will finally be agreed on and the name Pontiac GTO will be earned.....................

I have a 04 black GTO 6m,and sorry to say that this car isnt that fast,as a matter of fact its a big disappointment.i got suckered into buying it because of three words G T O.If it was called Monaro or Phanter or WXS I would of never even looked at it.The 05 with the LS2 motor might save it and i mean "Might".
The Ford guys and there 05 Mustang should be proud,this Stang with 300hp is coming out of the box with blistering numbers,0 to 60 in 5.1 is awesome for a 300 hp motor and i havent even began to talk about the looks,they found a fine balance between retro/Modern,You may say go buy a Mustang and shut up,but im not a Mustang fan,I am a GTO fan who was very excited about a new rear wheel driveV8 with Three words on the Fender G T O.

GO ahead attack me.......What your going to do to me i already did to myself.
Shamefully Phil.

To counterpoint firehawk, a member on here no less than a week ago put down 306RWP, 329RWTQ on a bone stock GTO.

The GTO's only disadvantage is its weight and smaller rear tires.

Pdenaro, If your unhappy with the car why did you buy it? Did you not test drive it first, were you not happy with it then? The GTO only puts down poor 0-60 times due to its traction limitation, which is sadly pretty high. You can always trade it in on a 05 GTO if your unhappy with it.

AS I have said many times, the 05 stang is being made to run a 1/4 mile. Compare the transmision gears. The GTO will almost certainly take on from a high speed roll, or at the end of a 1/4 mile.

Im not buying this whole mustang beating GTO thing. The goat has 50 more hp, even with its added weight i still refuse to beleive it will be faster. All i know is i killed a mach1 with a stick. I think ill also kill an 05 GT as well.
As for firehawk, and the LS1 fbody, i think GTO vs LS1 fbody is an even match as well. Probably the better driver would win. GTO has more power but firehawk has less weight. Im thinking the better driver would win. I havents gone up against one to check.

Hey Phil,
How many miles you got on you're GTO and what kind of fuel are you putting in it?

I have around 16k on mine now and its way faster than it was when I first got it.

If you want to rule the road you might want to look at a head and cam swap.

I've been looking at it for mine and looks like you can get the heads and the cam for around a thousand dollars if you shop around.

The trick is getting the labor for a good rate.

I have seen a couple places on the net that offer a package heads and cam for around 2500 but that's way high. You can get the heads for 500 on ebay and the cam from any of several performance stores for around 450 or so.

The LS6 cam and heads from my understanding bolt right on and make around 500 hp on the LS1 at least that was what the folks selling the package for the heads and cam were advertising.

All this **** about how the GTO will lose is a mute point, on the open freeway the Mustang has no chance against a 04 GTO............... I went crazy the other day and went balls to wall against a 2004 GT BULLITT..........once my goat hit 100 or 120 it just pulled away from this clown easy.................. from 5th to 6th gear at these speeds it's insane at how much power the GTO produces. I know it's not practical to compare cars at these speeds, but at high speeds 120, 130 mph + the GTO is a freakin monster!!
Yea it was scary hitting 140mph, but this guy was so far back behind me it wasn't even close!! lol :woot:
Bring on your 05 GT I aint scared of it.
Pdenaro what a shame you're to this forum...................you buy a car you hate and complain about it here? I don't need to hear your crying.......go mod the son of a bitch then........ :pain:

EDDIE

Originally posted by Pulse Red 04GTO@Oct 10 2004, 08:51 PM
All this **** about how the GTO will lose is a mute point, on the open freeway the Mustang has no chance against a 04 GTO............... I went crazy the other day and went balls to wall against a 2004 GT BULLITT..........once my goat hit 100 or 120 it just pulled away from this clown easy
As you should. The bullit is nothing more than a GT with a fancy trim package.

Dont give up on me yet! IM ordering an 05 Goat and selling my 04,
I was just being honest,Isnt that what this forum is all about?

My 04 GTO is brand new,1100 miles,black 6m,chrome wheels,tint,tasteful pin striping, will sell for $25,900.

Hmmm...thats pretty nice... Maybe i would if i had the money and was older. Gotta continue my saving up of money for my future goat.
Also it cant be that hard to get the goat up to 600 hp at least O.o

A buddy of mine called me the other day and told me the Mustang numbers and my first response was "Where'd you hear that nonsense?" But I figured I'd investigate it for myself. I ventured into enemy territory (a mustang message board) and spied on some of the posts. Apparently, just like our GTO, the dyno tests on the GT's are proving to be consistently higher than advertised---around the 320hp range. Still, I am impressed by the times it runs with that amount of power.

Hmmmm. The new Mustang GT probably won't be able to come out first in the end...the '05 GTO appears to have the edge there. :afro: However, when Ford comes out with the Cobra Mustang possibly next year Pontiac better have an answer in waiting. :huh: I'd love to see Pontiac put the upcoming Z06 engine option in the GTO. I've seen rumors that it could be a 427 ci pushing upward of 500 hp. I'm planning on purchasing an '05 in the spring but wouldn't keep it long if I heard that a 500 hp Goat was on the way :)

I don't have a GTO yet but i thought i would tell you about the discussion i was having with my Manager on Monday, he lives down in Jacksonville FL and is up here in Denver visiting. He has an 04 Mustang Cobra, along with a 71 i think it is Fast back stang.

Well i am GTO/Vette person and when you grow up in Australia, it is Ford or Holden... so we were discussing cars and he was saying how his Cobra could knock of a GTO, wasn't going to argure that as he has 390/390 engine that would be more of a comparison to the 400/390 LS2 05s.

Anyways... the most interesting part of his Cobra is the build number... i think there are like 3500 or so, he sent of the VIN to Ford to get the build number... and well there are the 11 cars that Ford keeps and then there is his at #12. And no he didn't do anymore than make the dealer find the car ont he lot... he wanted a Cobra, they said they had one...but it was somewhere outback on the lot and out of site :)

Needless to say I would like an 05 to have a chance to put him in his place :):)

James

Originally posted by Firehawk@Oct 10 2004, 07:23 PM
A Few Facts About Racing Mustangs
*1990's



Just you wait until its 05 against 05

Then all this bickering will cease and the true return of the muscle legend will finally be agreed on and the name Pontiac GTO will be earned.....................
Just thought I'd point out a few things (not to be a ****, tho)
the '90 T/A was the thirdgen body..not second. a 350 TPI could run about even with a 5.0 'Stang..the Stang's lighter tho, so it may edge the T/A out possibly.

I agree '05 vs '05 will be a great magazine shootout..mostly because it'll show the GTO's wrath...and the 'Stang will be in the dust.

Well I just saw an '05 'Stang on the cover of MotorTrend...so I picked it up to take a look. I'll admit the front is pretty cool looking...ya know the whole "retro" thing. BUT...I saw the other angles like the rear and sides :o :tongue: BARFFF! Ugly...not that I'll be seeing to much of the rear ends anyway! :lol:

Since I like the front end of the new 'Stang I'll just keep 'em in my rear view mirror! :hysterical:

Originally posted by 04GOATGERM@Oct 14 2004, 12:57 AM
Well I just saw an '05 'Stang on the cover of MotorTrend...so I picked it up to take a look. I'll admit the front is pretty cool looking...ya know the whole "retro" thing. BUT...I saw the other angles like the rear and sides :o :tongue: BARFFF! Ugly...not that I'll be seeing to much of the rear ends anyway! :lol:

Since I like the front end of the new 'Stang I'll just keep 'em in my rear view mirror! :hysterical:
Nice :lol: :afro:

I've seen the 0-60 time reported in one mag at 5.1 and in another at 5.7. WTF? I know all the different mags have different drivers but how do you get an over half second spread????

Originally posted by PetersonPeleRx8@Oct 15 2004, 04:26 AM
I've seen the 0-60 time reported in one mag at 5.1 and in another at 5.7. WTF? I know all the different mags have different drivers but how do you get an over half second spread????
Magazine times vary wildly, and can at best be used in a "we know it is at least this fast" scenario. Very few cars get consistent times from every magazine.

Now this is something I've been lookin' fer!!! Hummm...guess who wins?!!! :jumpon:

'05 Stang vs '04 GTO clickie here! (http://www.ot2.cupofnoodles.com/trishield/04goat_vs_05stang.wmv) :woot:

Hmmm those goats arnt performing as well as people think. That goat spanked it.

Originally posted by 04GOATGERM@Oct 28 2004, 01:02 AM
Now this is something I've been lookin' fer!!! Hummm...guess who wins?!!! :jumpon:

'05 Stang vs '04 GTO clickie here! (http://www.ot2.cupofnoodles.com/trishield/04goat_vs_05stang.wmv) :woot:
Thank you very very very much for showing that to us. Its just sad, not even close. These stang guys just need to learn 50 more HP makes the pony prey. Now remember this is an 04 GTO vs 05 stang. Imagine how much worse another 50hp will hurt the stang.

Nice video. Was that a 2nd Stang barley beating the Z? :blink:

Originally posted by TheJizzer@Oct 28 2004, 02:44 PM
Nice video. Was that a 2nd Stang barley beating the Z? :blink:
Yeeeeap! :D

For the record the GTO in tha video is modded, headers/intake/chip I believe is what he has.

Originally posted by Nocturn@Oct 28 2004, 05:52 PM
For the record the GTO in tha video is modded, headers/intake/chip I believe is what he has.
how do u know that

Originally posted by 1964GTO+Oct 28 2004, 09:58 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (1964GTO @ Oct 28 2004, 09:58 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Nocturn@Oct 28 2004, 05:52 PM
For the record the GTO in tha video is modded, headers/intake/chip I believe is what he has.
how do u know that [/b][/quote]
Yeah! what he said! :unsure:

Mustang hp numbers are coming in (http://www.newagegto.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=2705&st=60)

Theres a link to the original post, and the person who posted the video, says he has "
Present mods:
JBA titanium coated short headers
Randon Tech high-flow cats
K&N Aircharger
Taylor Spiro-Pro plug wires
NGK TR-55 plugs
"

I was off on the chip, but he does have plugs...

Originally posted by Nocturn@Oct 29 2004, 07:08 AM
Mustang hp numbers are coming in (http://www.newagegto.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=2705&st=60)

Theres a link to the original post, and the person who posted the video, says he has "
Present mods:
JBA titanium coated short headers
Randon Tech high-flow cats
K&N Aircharger
Taylor Spiro-Pro plug wires
NGK TR-55 plugs
"

I was off on the chip, but he does have plugs...
Ok - so the K&N hot air intake offsets the high-flow cats, the plugs maybe give an hp and the short headers are probably like 15 hp at the crank. Not 1/2 a second worth of gain there.
Advantage still GTO.
Dan

Originally posted by DANSLS1@Oct 29 2004, 06:16 AM
Ok - so the K&N hot air intake offsets the high-flow cats, the plugs maybe give an hp and the short headers are probably like 15 hp at the crank. Not 1/2 a second worth of gain there.
Advantage still GTO.
Dan
I'm gonna have to agree with you on that one DAN. I'll go as far as 20 extra horses at most with the mods.

I wouldn't be suprised if the 'Stang had a few mods up his sleve himself.

Originally posted by DANSLS1+Oct 29 2004, 06:16 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (DANSLS1 @ Oct 29 2004, 06:16 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Nocturn@Oct 29 2004, 07:08 AM
Mustang hp numbers are coming in (http://www.newagegto.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=2705&st=60)

Theres a link to the original post, and the person who posted the video, says he has "
Present mods:
JBA titanium coated short headers
Randon Tech high-flow cats
K&N Aircharger
Taylor Spiro-Pro plug wires
NGK TR-55 plugs
"

I was off on the chip, but he does have plugs...
Ok - so the K&N hot air intake offsets the high-flow cats, the plugs maybe give an hp and the short headers are probably like 15 hp at the crank. Not 1/2 a second worth of gain there.
Advantage still GTO.
Dan [/b][/quote]
I would think so. I love that video. I was showing it to my mustang loving friends. The best was when the 350Z almost beat the 2nd one.