How does that effect how Austrailians view it?


Kinda like how Americans currently view the imported GTO?

As long as its a good car...I couldn't care less

It'll never happen, the Monaro is Australian, will stay that way I think

Im pretty sure that the Holden factory will still make The monaro, but that the Zeta platform is also going to be built here to make the GTO. Im pretty sure that Holden will have one or more Zeta cars, and making them over here would hurt the production of the other US cars made, so logically it seems that they would leave a "copy" of the Monaro over there, just add its platform over here.

But aussies sadly to say I believe that the control over the car is now out of your hands as the main focus of the car now seems to be the GTO and not the Monaro. So don't be surprised if you start getting things you didnt ask for or dont want.

Hopefully though it wont effect the quality of the Monaro/GTO on a whole.

*shrug* what can I say, its America, we put the worlds needs behind our own.

good possibilty that both the GTO and Monaro will be built in the states starting in 07.

Originally posted by nikivee@Dec 2 2004, 11:15 AM
good possibilty that both the GTO and Monaro will be built in the states starting in 07.
I dont think they will make an "Australian" car in the States, then ship the finished product ALL the way back to Oz, seems a bit silly to me, especially considering that Holdens just finished building a massive engine plant down in Melbourne (I'm pretty sure it's in Melbourne)

Fiar enough it's economically viable to build the GTO there, but I dont think it's such a good idea if they build a Monaro over there, why would GM America build RHD Monaro's solely for the purpose of selling them to Australia?

Plus if GM design teams in America decide to style a Monaro for the Oztralia market, it would be one hell of a gamble. I know alot of Australians got a bit of a shock when they saw what GM America did to the Monaro to make it into a GTO.

The Monaro as it is today was taken from the VT Commodore, basically just 2 doors instead of 4 and a couple of new badges. Commodores, since 1978, have been designed to best suit Australia and its conditions. So thats why I dont think the Monaro will be built in America.

I wouldn't say that it isn't going to be produced in America just yet...


From what I have been hearing the Monaro and GTO will be built in the USA, and they will export the Monaro to Australlia.

The GTO and Monaro will be built along side 3 other Zeta cars.

Originally posted by nsap@Dec 5 2004, 09:12 AM
The GTO and Monaro will be built along side 3 other Zeta cars.
Hum?

2 chevy and 1 buick?

What 3 other cars?

Originally posted by TheJizzer+Dec 5 2004, 02:34 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (TheJizzer @ Dec 5 2004, 02:34 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-nsap@Dec 5 2004, 09:12 AM
The GTO and Monaro will be built along side 3 other Zeta cars.
Hum?

2 chevy and 1 buick?

What 3 other cars? [/b][/quote]
Actually It will be 1 Chevrolet sedan, and 1 Pontiac sedan..


The thrid is the Camaro, but it is NOT CONFIRMED.

Originally posted by nsap+Dec 5 2004, 03:05 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (nsap @ Dec 5 2004, 03:05 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by TheJizzer@Dec 5 2004, 02:34 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-nsap@Dec 5 2004, 09:12 AM
The GTO and Monaro will be built along side 3 other Zeta cars.
Hum?

2 chevy and 1 buick?

What 3 other cars?
Actually It will be 1 Chevrolet sedan, and 1 Pontiac sedan..


The thrid is the Camaro, but it is NOT CONFIRMED. [/b][/quote]
Ok now I am really confused.. Sedan? the gto will have 4 doors?

Originally posted by TheJizzer+Dec 6 2004, 12:56 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (TheJizzer @ Dec 6 2004, 12:56 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by nsap@Dec 5 2004, 03:05 PM
Originally posted by TheJizzer@Dec 5 2004, 02:34 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-nsap@Dec 5 2004, 09:12 AM
The GTO and Monaro will be built along side 3 other Zeta cars.
Hum?

2 chevy and 1 buick?

What 3 other cars?
Actually It will be 1 Chevrolet sedan, and 1 Pontiac sedan..


The thrid is the Camaro, but it is NOT CONFIRMED.
Ok now I am really confused.. Sedan? the gto will have 4 doors? [/b][/quote]
no. There will be a Pontiac sedan, and the GTO.

I have heard rumors and of prototypes of a rear drive Monte Carlo and Impala coming in the next few years. Who knows, would be a good change for GM, that's for sure.

Originally posted by nsap@Dec 5 2004, 09:12 AM
I wouldn't say that it isn't going to be produced in America just yet...
From what I have been hearing the Monaro and GTO will be built in the USA, and they will export the Monaro to Australlia.

What wicked drugs are you on and where can I get some?

Monaro being built in the US is an idea that will die in the a**, Australians en masse are more than likely going to reject a America-built Monaro.

Just look what happened when Ford Australia tried to "euro" it up a bit, it nearly sunk the Ford Falcon

If it's ever built in America, I wont touch it, and dont be surprised if alot other Australian people dont either.

Originally posted by vrbleena@Dec 6 2004, 01:12 AM
If it's ever built in America, I wont touch it, and dont be surprised if alot other Australian people dont either.
And people call us (USA) ignorant.... :rolleyes:

Originally posted by vrbleena+Dec 6 2004, 06:12 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (vrbleena @ Dec 6 2004, 06:12 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-nsap@Dec 5 2004, 09:12 AM
I wouldn't say that it isn't going to be produced in America just yet...
From what I have been hearing the Monaro and GTO will be built in the USA, and they will export the Monaro to Australlia.

What wicked drugs are you on and where can I get some?

Monaro being built in the US is an idea that will die in the a**, Australians en masse are more than likely going to reject a America-built Monaro.

Just look what happened when Ford Australia tried to "euro" it up a bit, it nearly sunk the Ford Falcon

If it's ever built in America, I wont touch it, and dont be surprised if alot other Australian people dont either. [/b][/quote]
I was stating facts. :rolleyes:

I am not on any drugs.

Originally posted by nsap@Dec 6 2004, 04:29 PM
I was stating facts. :rolleyes:

I am not on any drugs.
Fair enough, but why would Holden want to have the Monaro built over there when we are capable of doing it here? We were selling the Monaro here 30 years before it became your GTO. Monaro's being built in america would be like Australia making a Corvette, then selling it to America.

See, I dont know alot about american car owners (GM in particular) but over here, alot of the people I know with Holdens, it's totally in their blood. Whole familys will either buy ford or holdens. As far back into my childhood as I can remember, I remember my dad always going for Holden when the racing was on TV, and he owned quite a few Holdens too, and well you know, you're always going to be a fan, even if it's not a fan of every model they made.

Ok I cant really say it will never happen, because 1978-84 were actually based on a euro GM design at the time, but since Holdens been doing most, not all of the manufacturing, we've become quite proud of our cars, even if you may think they are ****, like everything else that we make.

I mean I thank america for my engine, the VL series commodore had a Nissan engine, and it just didnt have the "punch" of what the Buick engine has, even if it is only half the power of what you guys have got.

I'm not really worried about getting a warning or getting kicked out or anything, because if I cant voice my opinions without my whole country in general getting labelled as ignorant, would I even want to come back? So just tell me to f*** off and I will.

Well GM owns Holden, it has since the 1930's, so whatever Gm wants to do Holden doesn't have a choice. So if GM wants to move production here Holden doesnt have a say so as its owned by GM. However they will have more leeway over the other divisions in decision making.

Originally posted by vrbleena@Dec 7 2004, 02:22 AM
Monaro's being built in america would be like Australia making a Corvette, then selling it to America.

For me this statement really clarifies the situation. Somewhat similar to the complaints many older enthusiasts had about the revivied GTO being Australian.
To me it's all silly, since the parts of the car are made in all different places anyway.

from what I've heard both Holden and Ford's V8's start life in Canada.

Originally posted by vrbleena+Dec 7 2004, 07:22 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (vrbleena @ Dec 7 2004, 07:22 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-nsap@Dec 6 2004, 04:29 PM
I was stating facts. :rolleyes:

I am not on any drugs.
Fair enough, but why would Holden want to have the Monaro built over there when we are capable of doing it here? We were selling the Monaro here 30 years before it became your GTO. Monaro's being built in america would be like Australia making a Corvette, then selling it to America.

See, I dont know alot about american car owners (GM in particular) but over here, alot of the people I know with Holdens, it's totally in their blood. Whole familys will either buy ford or holdens. As far back into my childhood as I can remember, I remember my dad always going for Holden when the racing was on TV, and he owned quite a few Holdens too, and well you know, you're always going to be a fan, even if it's not a fan of every model they made.

Ok I cant really say it will never happen, because 1978-84 were actually based on a euro GM design at the time, but since Holdens been doing most, not all of the manufacturing, we've become quite proud of our cars, even if you may think they are ****, like everything else that we make.

I mean I thank america for my engine, the VL series commodore had a Nissan engine, and it just didnt have the "punch" of what the Buick engine has, even if it is only half the power of what you guys have got.

I'm not really worried about getting a warning or getting kicked out or anything, because if I cant voice my opinions without my whole country in general getting labelled as ignorant, would I even want to come back? So just tell me to f*** off and I will. [/b][/quote]
I can see your point. But, either way, I think it is likely that they will build it here.

honestly i dont want to see the GTO built in america. for one, i'd rather it not wear the pontiac badge at all, when i get mine, all that pontiac stuff is going straight to the garbage can.

if the monaro is built here, its build quality will sink faster than the titanic, and its design will become cluttered with cheap useless plastics, and an over done, ugly apperance -- its already headed in that direction with the non-functional hood scoops. american cars suck, hands down. i'll admit, i like my mustangs and i even drive a ford...but compaired to the other car companies of the world they are dreadfully AWFUL. why GM and Ford give us their worst products in the world in their home market...and biggest market...is beyond me; i can't believe they dont understand that, hardely any american cars are sold in any other markets world wide, and the ones that do, aren't selling well. Chrysler is the only one that dares to sell many of their cars in europe, and they hate em.

if monaro production switches to the US, i wont buy one unless they can keep its build quality and sleek design. and all these people that complain about the GTO not being "american" need to get over it and take another look - its a fantastic car inside and out -- a country of origin or historic name plate shouldn't be a deciding factor.

The Americans can make perfectly fine cars, they just havnt in the past. If they move production over here I am sure they can keep the quality and style of the Monaro perfectly fine. You forget that GM has owned Holden for the past 70 years, and while they have done their own thing, it hasnt been without GM's consent.

Originally posted by HSV_255GTO@Dec 8 2004, 05:20 PM
honestly i dont want to see the GTO built in america. for one, i'd rather it not wear the pontiac badge at all, when i get mine, all that pontiac stuff is going straight to the garbage can.

if the monaro is built here, its build quality will sink faster than the titanic, and its design will become cluttered with cheap useless plastics, and an over done, ugly apperance -- its already headed in that direction with the non-functional hood scoops. american cars suck, hands down. i'll admit, i like my mustangs and i even drive a ford...but compaired to the other car companies of the world they are dreadfully AWFUL. why GM and Ford give us their worst products in the world in their home market...and biggest market...is beyond me; i can't believe they dont understand that, hardely any american cars are sold in any other markets world wide, and the ones that do, aren't selling well. Chrysler is the only one that dares to sell many of their cars in europe, and they hate em.

if monaro production switches to the US, i wont buy one unless they can keep its build quality and sleek design. and all these people that complain about the GTO not being "american" need to get over it and take another look - its a fantastic car inside and out -- a country of origin or historic name plate shouldn't be a deciding factor.
Un-american *******, j/m :P
Dont throw aweay the badges, sell em so that you make some $$$ :afro:

vrbleena wrote:* "Fair enough, but why would Holden want to have the Monaro built over there when we are capable of doing it here? "

Economics. The biggest market for the Monaro/GTO is the US.

GM is stuck with building the car in Australia until the present model is pensioned off, but with the move to a brand new platform they'd be crazy to supply their biggest market from a manufacturing plant halfway round the world.

They'll have the capacity to build the car at home, and it'll get the Auto Workers' Union off their back.

If you're sitting in a boardroom in Detroit, it's a no-brainer.

Originally posted by gromit@Dec 9 2004, 09:33 AM
vrbleena wrote:* "Fair enough, but why would Holden want to have the Monaro built over there when we are capable of doing it here? "

Economics. The biggest market for the Monaro/GTO is the US.

GM is stuck with building the car in Australia until the present model is pensioned off, but with the move to a brand new platform they'd be crazy to supply their biggest market from a manufacturing plant halfway round the world.

They'll have the capacity to build the car at home, and it'll get the Auto Workers' Union off their back.

If you're sitting in a boardroom in Detroit, it's a no-brainer.
Exactly.

GM obviously doesn't care wether the consumer wants the car made there or import it there, or the GTO would be made in America. :)

Unless GM changes their sourcing, I wouldn't even consider a domestic-built Monaro. As it stands now, GM will have to cull from the same lousy mid-range GM parts bin when it comes to stuff like switchgear etc. The only domestic-built car I've been in that seems to have good, high-quality switches and knobs was the CTS-V. I've heard the stuff in the C6 'Vette is a step up from the normal stuff as well.

The **** they stick in the other cars of the current Pontiac line-up is flat-out embarrasing.

It doesnt bother me that much.

I'm proud that something Australia had a hand in designing and developing is doing so well overseas.

It just irritates me to think that a whole bunch of Americans (and drivers in the UK) will be enjoying it, but wont even give it's proper makers any credit.

Fair enough, from the desk of some over-weight, balding manager in a Detroit boardroom, building the Monaro overseas is a good idea, but what makes it a decent seller here, too, is that it's affordable. Moving it solely to be built in America would make the price go up, and no one wants to pay more for anything. If they made the GTO solely in America, anyone in Australia who would even want one, would probably have to get it converted to RHD, which probably isnt cheap.

Probably the thing we've all overlooked is that there is nothing stopping Holden Australia making the Monaro here, and GM making the GTO over there.

If you haven't already you might like to visit my post GM ditches ‘US Commodore’ (http://www.newagegto.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=1362&view=findpost&p=42541) as an update to some of the discussion on this!

Two points I'd like to make about if the Monaro were to be imported form the States:
it'd be less of a 2 door Commodore (probably completely different panels all over) and thus less likely to be put down for that, and:
Aussies could hardly knock Americans for complaining the 2004-06 car is not really an American car and then winge when their 2007+ Monaro comes from OS (the engine and trannies already do and do a loop from the US to here and back again in the GTOs) - basically they'd be being hypocrites!

I dont see how they are being hypocrites, an engine and tranny doesnt make a car.

There isnt a real point in posting a link to your thread in older threads that are sometimes over a year old as no one is reading them anymore.

Originally posted by Nocturn@Mar 30 2005, 01:38 AM
I dont see how they are being hypocrites, an engine and tranny doesnt make a car.

There isnt a real point in posting a link to your thread in older threads that are sometimes over a year old as no one is reading them anymore.
I agree we don't need to get everyone going on this again..... :flush:

Originally posted by Nocturn@Mar 30 2005, 01:38 AM
I dont see how they are being hypocrites, an engine and tranny doesnt make a car.
I am still very new to forums so sorry if I don't understand exactly how they work yet. It was however, a new post in what I now see was an old thread; and it turned out it was not super new news anyway as another later thread had similar stuff in it, though from a US source not Oz. Oh well if you'll bear with me I'll learn hopefully.
I meant (but maybe did not write it clearly) that us Aussies would be hypocritical if when offered a US built Monaro in say 2007 we rejected it as "not a real Monaro" when for the last few years we have been rejoicing the exports of Monaros to the US and not undertanding when Americans said they were "not real GTOs". (the "not a real X or Y" thing is a whole different discussion and probably a subject for a PhD!)
Sorry if any of this has been covered elsewhere but I didn't find it where ever it is.

Oh alright I get you, the aussie would be hypocritical if they refused a US built Monaro for say.

Our holdens and fords are as american as apple pie with a bit of roo meat chucked into the centre! Us aussies wouldnt mind if it was built in the US as long as our assembly plant is going 24/7 and you can match or supass our quality and price. After all weve got to make room for Buick. :type:

We were lucky the Monaro was built at all. It was only because the then head of GM-Holden (Hanneberger) loved the car and ordered to have it built. The engine is Canadian and the 6 speed Mexican (I believe) the platform VT Holden. The fact that it was exported to the US saved production for a few years and the middle east and now Britain have picked it up in small numbers.

The poms (that's Oz for British) seem to prefer the GTO to the Monaro. If it is built in the US it would mean that more may be sold in the US due to the union restrictions. My only concern is that we might lose things like climate control, wea have already lost boot space due to the fuel tank. I drive a manual, maybe we might get a better auto.

Our US hosts might forgive aussies for being a little proud of 'our' manufacturer exporting to the biggest car market in the world. I would prefer a Monaro built in the US than in China.

Originally posted by monaroCV8@Apr 5 2005, 01:46 AM
The poms (that's Oz for British) seem to prefer the GTO to the Monaro. If it is built in the US it would mean that more may be sold in the US due to the union restrictions. My only concern is that we might lose things like climate control, wea have already lost boot space due to the fuel tank. I drive a manual, maybe we might get a better auto.

Our US hosts might forgive aussies for being a little proud of 'our' manufacturer exporting to the biggest car market in the world. I would prefer a Monaro built in the US than in China.
Well since they cancelled zeta up here it's a good chance the next GTO will still be imported from Oz.

(OT) I've always wondered, just how do you guys ever learn to shift LEFT handed? Unless you were born a lefty, of course..

Left handed shift....just what you get used to I guess, seems natural to us, move your left leg on the clutch, left hand on the gear shift. I'm right handed and would find it difficult to adjust the other way. It gets a little hard using 'Euro' controls on some of the cars in Oz, indicators on the 'wrong/left' side and wipers on the right.

The biggest problem drivers have with Prosche Cup cars down here is driving on the 'other' side of the car and shifting right handed.

I for one think our friends down under have done a wonderful job on a great car. I'm happy the GTO is back and it performs so well for under 34K. Gobs of power and comfort. This car if built in US would probably suffer in quality and it has me worried. Now that Zeta platform is killed for production in the US, it's probably a safe bet to say we'll still get Holden to make the GTO but with a new skin. We're going to see more aggressive Monaros and GTOs; that is coming with no doubt!!!

I think we need to include our friends in Europe (Vauxhall) and Australia (Holden) to this website and any other new generation GTO websites. They could provide a wealth of inside information and truly prove the GTO is world class. Whatever is the case for sure (built in US or built in Australia), I just want to see the GTO in V8 only from with two doors (not four) and its quality and performance not suffer.

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