now we all know manuals are the most fun but according to the drive of the 05 the A4 is quicker than the M6. Is the A4 the same as the A4 in the 04?

The A4 for 05 is a bit beffed up to hadle the more power.

Originally posted by Nocturn@Dec 1 2004, 06:42 PM
The A4 for 05 is a bit beffed up to hadle the more power.
wow more power? I thought the 04s could handle alot. Hey....ow much can the 04's handle? I just heard it was alot.

04 - 4L60-E
05 - 4L65-E

How can you get your tires to spin from stand still in an Auto? Its easy in a stick cause you just revv it a bit and dump the clutch. Im assuming its not a good idea to revv it and dump it from neutral to drive.

I did that when I was 16, in high school and stupid, in my 93 Jeep Cherokee. The bolt holding the yoke to the driveshaft sheered in half and the drive shaft went spining around clanking off the undercarraige. lol :frankie:

I assume the GTO powertrain is stronger than the jeeps though.

Spinning the tires from standstill is easier in an Auto actually.

You dont neutral drop it as well you seem to know why, but you simply hold down the brake with your left foot, and give it some gas with your right. In any RWD application the front brakes do all the work in stopping the car, BUT since the rear wheels drive they is less brake preassure on them, and thus the engine turns them. This allows the car to stay still (via front brakes) but the rear tires to turn (via engine)

DUH! Dont know why that didnt occur to me.

Thx Nocturn! :P

Of course in a manual you can spin all day without frying your brakes :D

Originally posted by forestdweller@Dec 2 2004, 07:54 PM
Of course in a manual you can spin all day without frying your brakes :D
How exactly is it different to spin in the M6 vs the A4? I can spin the tires all day in my A4 with the breaks off also. :D

Call me crazy, but am a big drag racing fan and have always liked having my performance cars has autos. I do normally like adding a shift kit though to tighten things up.

Originally posted by Branden@Dec 2 2004, 09:20 PM
Call me crazy, but am a big drag racing fan and have always liked having my performance cars has autos. I do normally like adding a shift kit though to tighten things up.
werd, nothing to compare to the consistency of an auto. You may be .1 faster w/ a manual, but try doing that 10 times in a row. :afro:

True autos are more consistant, but anyone can stomp on the gas and steer in a straight line. I prefer to control the car, not simply pilot it.

You won't be as consistent overall, but you will be consistantly quicker than an auto if you have any drag experience. Though I would argue the real world performance is much more significant.

It's not really different, just that almost ANY car can perform a burnout with a manual tranny.

Originally posted by Nocturn@Dec 2 2004, 09:58 PM
True autos are more consistant, but anyone can stomp on the gas and steer in a straight line. I prefer to control the car, not simply pilot it.
1. Thats not true, I can barely walk straight much less drive.. :drunk:

2. Pilot....I like the sound of that! :knightrider:

Hey Nocturn , I know what you were saying and I agree with you, just not your choice of words :huh: Piloting an aircraft or a ship generally requires much more skill than simply driving a car. Of couse someone operating a car with an auto is doing neither. They are simply acting as a glorified steering wheel holder :D

Originally posted by droopy@Dec 4 2004, 02:57 AM
Hey Nocturn , I know what you were saying and I agree with you, just not your choice of words :huh: Piloting an aircraft or a ship generally requires much more skill than simply driving a car. Of couse someone operating a car with an auto is doing neither. They are simply acting as a glorified steering wheel holder :D
:hysterical: :hysterical: :hysterical:

NICE.

Pilot did sound a bit to....complicated.

Manuals are more fun.

Anyway...Does anyone know who makes a good shift kit for the A4?

They are more fun, but then its your one car and you have to commute on LA Freeways, manuals SUCK.

Originally posted by scot254@Dec 4 2004, 04:56 PM
Anyway...Does anyone know who makes a good shift kit for the A4?
Transgo is the one I've used on previous cars, you can get crisper shifts just by removing torque management from the stock PCM program as well. If you don't have a local tuner to do it for you, just pick up a Predator, available from one of our site sponsors TByrne and possibly others also.

Why did they not make the GTO a 5 speed auto?

All logic says that a 5 speed auto would have better pick up and performance and I am interested to hear your views why it is a 4 speed?

per Pontiac.com (http://www.pontiac.com/gto/transmissions_popup.jsp?imageNum=2&source=) 2005 Gto

Custom tailored and performance tuned, the 4-Speed Automatic provides performance that rivals that of the Tremec given a 0 to 60 time that's only .1 slower than the 6-speed. The secret: Software programmed to match the 4L65-E to the LS2's on-and-off throttle characteristics

:ph34r:

Originally posted by dotocomo@Dec 8 2004, 09:23 AM
Why did they not make the GTO a 5 speed auto?

All logic says that a 5 speed auto would have better pick up and performance and I am interested to hear your views why it is a 4 speed?
I thought I heard that GM was working on a 6-speed auto and that is why they are not "wasting" time with the 5 speed.

But you gotta remember that Auto tranny has to hold all the torque.... so more gears means a bigger tranny - or BOOM!

Any hard core drag racer will tell you an Automatic is much better for drag racing. Coming from an LT1 and LS1 z28 back ground, the automatic LT1s and LS1's were much faster in the 1/4 mile ($ spent on mods being equal).

Put some sticky rubber and a torque converter on an Automatic and you will be suprised by how fast it can run. It takes a truck load of mods on an M6 to run the same times.

But saying that I have to agree. It is 100% more fun and more satisfying to drive a stick. A stick is also usually faster from a roll due to the ability to place the motor in its sweet spot at basically any speed. Thats something an Automatic can't do.

My LS1 z28 A4 had spots in the transmission we called "dead zones". These dead zones are very common with Automatics. These dead zones are area or speeds where the transmission doesn't downshift into the appropriate gear. You end up being stuck in to high a gear.
The Transmission is programmed to only downshift under certain conditions (rpms etc). I many instances this doesn't agree with your driving needs.

actually, you can perform a standing-still burnout with a manual too. It just takes a little bit of tricky footwork--basically the same as an auto, you just have to holkd the brake with your right heel,push on the trottle w/your right toes and let out the clutch w/you left foot---takes some getting used to( I learned on an old s-10 -on gravel,when I was younger)....great forum by the way!!

The 4T65E is the only auto trans that both packages in the car and can withstand the power output. The 5-speed auto used in various Cadillacs will not take the max torque of the LS2 engine.

The Corvette will get the RWD 6-speed auto first, followed by other RWD cars like GTO, but not in this generation car.