GTO designs

What are the new designs for the 06 gtos? Are they going to be alittle different than the 05 or are they going to be alot different.

ARGH! this has been discused but HERE WE GO...
Its not known yet unless osmeone hasnt told me or people are withholding info. Im hoping that they do a woodward goat style for it

not much will change for 06 as the big change is on 07. In 07 the GTO is getting redone on a new platform called Zeta. This new platform is all new meaning its never been used before in any car. There are going to be two other Zeta cars in the US, a buick, and a chevy. These are going to be mid-large RWD performance coupes that are going to be made in the states. Holden is also getting a copy of the Zeta plaftorm, but whether or not they are going to be making the monaro is still in the air.

Don't expect big changes in 2006, nor the Woodward Cruise car anytime soon.

Just to give you an idea of how radical that cruise car is, they added about 4" of body width to each side to give it that look. Every body panel was modified except the doors and roof. To finish it off they installed a $30k Katech racing small block V8. They basically created a race car for the street.

So when I win the lottery, will they sell it to me? :dribble:

Nope, not for sale.

Originally posted by rlsedition@Dec 21 2004, 11:50 PM
Nope, not for sale.
everything has its price B)

Originally posted by GTO4ME@Dec 22 2004, 12:54 PM
Can I play with madness the prophet stared at his crystal ball...
Put them in the Iron Maiden! :friday:

Originally posted by GTO4ME@Dec 22 2004, 05:54 PM
:type: Since the 05 looks alot like my 04 with a different hood and exhaust, I predict big changes to the body for 06. Now I'm really concerened with the 07, there's always the chance... Will it be??? What about the???? How many will????? Can I get??????

Can I play with madness the prophet stared at his crystal ball...
I predict the 2006 will be released with virtually no changes from 2005. (Most significant change will most likely be a few extra $100s on the sticker price.)

GM put bandaids on the 2004s by adding hood scoops, dual outlet (both sides) exhaust and SAP in 2005. (Did I forget to mention the LS2? How could I forget that!) Since they will be coming out with an all-new GTO in 2007, they will not spend any more time/money with the current version.

It's going to be a long year waiting for the first spy shots of the 2007 model. I can't wait!

Steve

Well, for one thing on the Woodward GTO the 'they' is actually a 'he' - it's a GM engineers personal car. There's a pic w/ his name in one of the more recent Car Craft magazines - I've got it at home. I also heard tell through the grapevine that the car was a tuning nightmare due to the twin MAF's and TB's. But don't expect it to be marketed anything like that car any time ever. The only way you would get anything similar is build it yourself.
Now, the deal w/ the aussies and the US unions was 3 years on the current platform. As stated, the intention is '07 new platform, new design. That all depends on success of the '04-'06's of course. I don't necessarily think that got off to the best start.
Dan

Wasn't it stated that the GTO would be improved every year until the new platform? (And obviously after the new platform....)

I'm hoping they'll get some flaring on those fenders eventually.

Scott

Not necessarly 'improved' but rather a little change here and there. Pretty much all cars do this just to make the model year upcoming a little more wanted.

Well, I loved the little changes for '05.

Hopin' for fender flares and more gauges in '06!

I also read somewhere that Chevey will use the Zeta platform to bring back the Chevelle. That would be so cool. Chevelle and GTO on the streets again.

Would Chevy bring back the Chevelle or Camaro in light of the Mustang success?

GM has plans for two RWD platforms in chevys line up. One being a GTO twin, the other I am unsure of. Gm is planning either a Camaro (most likely) that is a either a stretched kappa, or a Zeta car that will be a smaller, slower, cheaper car than the GTO, or a Chevelle that will be on par with the GTO. But neither one of these will be because of Mustang sales as they are in different catagories.

If Chevy did a Zeta coupe that was high-style/good performer, don't you think this would be compared to the Mustang no matter what GM said?

Will they be compared? yes, is it because of mustang sales? no. Gm knew that the lack of an fbody would cause them sales, they arn't about to rush into another lack luster Camaro just to steal some Mustang sales.

I sorta hope that GM makes no changes to the power train of the 2006. This might give us more aftermarket products that would fit both the 05 and 06 line.

As I've said before, I doubt the 2006 will be very different from the 2005.

A bit of commonsense says that they are better putting R&D into the new 2007 car then the 2006. Not only that, but they would probably prefer a bigger gap between the 2006 and 2007 to really bring it some attention.

Now there will most likely be some changes for the 2006. Maybe just options/addons, maybe some minor cladding changes, and new colors.

It will all be pretty minor stuff, sinc the big change will be in 07. I expect a really big change (more than most are expecting).

Bob

With the new platform I dont think they are gonna bring back the camaro. It had its run and they kinda killed it. MT did an article like 2yrs ago on the new retro camaro and chevelle, I think its gonna be most likely the chevelle, the camaro has some baggage. As for the Buick I heard something about a turbo 6 that will fit between the CTS and the V for performance. GNX and a jiffy lube symbol might look nice with that. :dribble: :dribble:

There isn't going to be any big sheetmetal changes for the 06 GTO. Zeta is coming in 06/07 and I highly doubt holden will approve the spending for sheetmetal changes which will be thrown out in a year. It doesn't make any economic sense. Your not going to see much difference till the Zeta GTO shows up.

Buick GNX performance coming back? Don't hold your breath.

Originally posted by rlsedition@Jan 9 2005, 09:16 AM
Buick GNX performance coming back? Don't hold your breath.
Buick is getting a Zeta car....

Really? And you think Buick will go after big HP numbers? They probably have enough to do to re-establish themselves as makers of refined luxury cars. I think they'll leave the performance stuff to Chevy/Pontiac. Think Velite show car.

They could bring back the Grand National or the GS.

Buick could. Buick will not.

I wouldn't count Buick out just yet. They very well might have something like that up their sleeve.

A GNX??? no chance...buick is going after lexus and acura...remember what Lutz planned when he took over:
Chevy... value leader
Pontiac... excitement division
Saturn....youthful/import fighters
Buick... import(japanese) mid-level luxury
Cadillac... take on the worlds best( read Germans)
where does a gn fit in Buicks marketing? I see a v-6 coupe to battle the g35 or is-300(lexus) using the high content v-6 like in the lacrosse...(boy, there's a name that inspires performance <_< ) I haven't read where Buick is hot to get back into NASCAR....THE GRAND NATIONAL IS DEAD...LONG LIVE THE NEW KING!!(gto)

Just because thats the basic guidelines for the devisions doesn't mean that they won't have other cars. Luts has said that one of detroits advantages is that they have so many fuel effeciant V8 engines, I don't doubt that he is going to use them every chance he can. Buick is meant to fiht of lexus but that doesn't mean they can't have a performance car, or have V8's as optional engines. Thats one reason they are bringing back the portoles to display cylinder numbers.

Nocturn, You make good points...but, if YOU were shopping for a lexus or infiniti, would you even look at a car that envokes memories of an 80's performance icon? I don't doubt that there will be a performance version...but after the thrashing the GTO and Charger are taking, I seriously doubt Buick will name anything it builds with a "retro" nameplate

Hello!! Knock Knock, Buick made a performance Icon much bigger than the GN. It was called the Buick GS and GSX. Most of you probably weren't born back when the GS was competing head to head with GTO's, Cudas and Chargers.

Well I don't think they will go with a retro design, But I don't think they need to either. It may be a more aressive Buick, but I think it will still perform pretty well and might steal away from from the bland feeling lexus/acuras.

LOL! THis thread is cracking me up!

A comedian was on the other night talking about the Cadillac/Led Zepplin commercials and he said "Since when is Led Zepplin old people music"? :blink:


And the new Buick commercial with Aerosmith....... B)


Erm.....people are not looking at this from a stand point of Marketing or evolution..Remember people that grew up in the '70s-'80s are now getting a bit older and are in better financial shape (i.e. out of college in their careers etc..) These are the same people that grew up liking BIG motor muscle cars but only saw the change to 4 and 6 cylinder and FWD....now we ('70s-'80s people) are the Market for cars and we want RWD and V8s (talking on general public)...so evolution in Lutz's eyes is correct IMHO...

I WANT MY RWD/V8!!! :friday:

Originally posted by jak112460@Jan 12 2005, 05:36 AM
Hello!! Knock Knock, Buick made a performance Icon much bigger than the GN. It was called the Buick GS and GSX. Most of you probably weren't born back when the GS was competing head to head with GTO's, Cudas and Chargers.
Back in the late 60's & early 70's when the GS you are talking about was around, the market was flooded with muscle cars. The GS was a great car, but so were the Cuda's, the GTOs, the Chevelles, the 442s, etc., etc.

In the late 80's when Buick gave us the GN and then the GNX it was totally unexpected. Chevy execs had a hissyfit when out of no where there beloved Corvette was slower than a Buick! I love the old Buick GSs, but the '87 GNX is the high point of Buick performance.

Back to the modern day, Buick is dying ... literally. The only people that look at Buicks (I'm generalizing) are people over 50. (Grandparents.) Their customer base is literally dying off. The new Buick LaCrosse, although nice, is not ground breaking enough to attract a younger audience to Buick. Without a drastic change I expect Buick to go the way of Oldsmobile within 10 years.

They need to attract a younger audience. The only way to do that is to produce a serious performance automobile. (I perfer coupes myself.) Rather than just rebadge other GM vehicles, I would hope they do what they did back in the 80's. Instead of dropping in a chevy small block, then came out with their supercharged Buick V-6 engine. (A decendant of this engine is the 3800.)

I think Buick needs to produce a completely new supercharged V-6 with a HP goal of around 350hp. Make it a Buick only offering (at least for a few years) and drop it in a brank new Buick car. I fear nothing short of this will be able to turn Buick around.

Steve

Man, I need a spell checker, but you get my point.

Steve

GM press release.....

SIGMA, ZETA AND THETA GLOBAL ARCHITECTURE DEVELOPMENT TEAMS ANNOUNCED .... As part GM's ongoing efforts to leverage product development capabilities globally, the Global Architecture Development Teams for GM's luxury (Sigma), premium rear-wheel-drive (Zeta) and compact utility (Theta) vehicle architectures have been announced.
The Sigma and Theta teams will be based in the U.S. and the Zeta team will be located in Australia. They are in addition to the Global Epsilon Development Team already in operation in Germany.

A network of global architecture and regional vehicle line teams will develop all future vehicles. They will continue to draw upon GM's global resources including design, engineering, purchasing and manufacturing.

2006 GTO.

Basically same body style.

Woodward style Hood and Front fascia will make it to the 06 GTO, Along with some minor changes to the rear. LS2 will be the same engine tuned to around 410HP.

2007 GTO, new platform, some retro cues but don't expect a 67 GTO clone. More agressive in appearance. LS7 detuned engine as standard. Built alongside the Monaro in the states.

Some of this could change, but right now it's correct. Don't ask how I know, because I won't say.

My best friends brothers girlfriend heard at 61 Flavors last night that Ferris is sick. I guess it's pretty serious.

Originally posted by salbracht@Jan 12 2005, 12:55 PM
My best friends brothers girlfriend heard at 61 Flavors last night that Ferris is sick. I guess it's pretty serious.
:hysterical: :hysterical:
You were saving for that one, werent you?

I doubt that they will put the woodward cruise parts on the regular GTO, it just wouldnt fit the lines of the car. But you seem to appearntly have some inside info.

As for the 07 that seems about right, although I don't think they will put a detuned LS7 in it, it would raise costs to much being hand built. I suspect they will just increase the output of the LS2.

Buick is getting a Zeta car which is the new GTO platform, therefor it is likely that the car will be a performance car.

I loooove the look of the GTO now. There are very few things I don't loke about them. I think that the grille looks a little too bland. They should add another grille for the sport appearnce package.

Originally posted by Nocturn@Jan 12 2005, 03:09 PM
I doubt that they will put the woodward cruise parts on the regular GTO, it just wouldnt fit the lines of the car. But you seem to appearntly have some inside info.

As for the 07 that seems about right, although I don't think they will put a detuned LS7 in it, it would raise costs to much being hand built. I suspect they will just increase the output of the LS2.
I agree, they never put an LS6 in a Camaro or Firebird, I don't think they'll use the LS7 in the goat.

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I doubt that they will put the woodward cruise parts on the regular GTO, it just wouldnt fit the lines of the car. But you seem to appearntly have some inside info.

As for the 07 that seems about right, although I don't think they will put a detuned LS7 in it, it would raise costs to much being hand built. I suspect they will just increase the output of the LS2.
I agree, they never put an LS6 in a Camaro or Firebird, I don't think they'll use the LS7 in the goat. [/b][/quote]
True but they also never put the LS6 into Cadillacs either untill recently....One never knows with the general these days.