Does anyone drive a 04 GTO with a Vortech supercharger in it?

If so do u like it?
Is it worth it?

Cant say much for the Vortech (I've had a Vortech on my Honda, loved it a lot @ 18psi!) but a few people have been getting well over 425whp with the base Procharger on 04 GTO's.

The tech guys at the dealership I had my Magnuson put in at said the vortech isnt worth it. I was gonna get it first, but was advised not to because of pcm problems and real ****py tech support. They also said Vortech basically wipes their hands if anything goes wrong. If your willing to spend that much though you might just wanna save for a few more weeks and get the magnuson the package comes with new pulleys, injectors, tuning specs, and everything else. With a new set of headers I got a 39% increase in power, which put me just over 500hp.

Are you sure the dealership was not just feeding you some s*** so that you would buy the Magnuson instead?

Originally posted by REDGLOW360@Dec 28 2004, 04:11 AM
The tech guys at the dealership I had my Magnuson put in at said the vortech isnt worth it. I was gonna get it first, but was advised not to because of pcm problems and real ****py tech support. They also said Vortech basically wipes their hands if anything goes wrong. If your willing to spend that much though you might just wanna save for a few more weeks and get the magnuson the package comes with new pulleys, injectors, tuning specs, and everything else. With a new set of headers I got a 39% increase in power, which put me just over 500hp.
:bs:

500 hp on a maggie.......dyno sheet please!

Well can't give you any feedback on Vortech.... yet. I believe there may only be a few GTO's around with Vortech kit. Mine is the mule for the 6sp version and is currently in their possesion so to my knowledge the 6sp kit is not out yet. I believe the kit for the automatic trans is out but it has not been out very long and I have not seen one post on any of the forums about a Vortech kit that has been installed with the exception of the person who had the mule for the automatic sometime last year. When I do get it back I will post comments.

As for their reputation I can't say I have dealt with them before but I have dealt with them since October and if the people I have dealt with are anything like their product it is going to be great. I would wait and see what experiences everyone has with the product and the company before you listen to any hearsay.

I'm going to give you advice. Your Vortech guy is full of s***. Give me his name and nubmer and I will tell him to his face. I have a ZO6, look at my signature. Vortech has great techs and they don't wipe their hands of problems. In fact a Vortech manager promised that they would buy back my whole setup if they could not get the pulley bugs worked out at MTI. They gave me free pulleys when the stock ones didn't give me the amount of boost I expected. They always called back and followed up. Your guy that told you Vortech doesn't take care of things is a liar. You want to talk about not taking care of customers? ATI is the company notorious for that. You don't want to even buy their kit from them. Andy at A&A gets a big part of the business because he redesigned their brackets to help get rid of belt slip. I have a neighbor with a stock Mag. and he's getting 380 rear wheel horsepower. That's with Magnusons tuning. I got almost 520 RWHP with my Vortech on my stock ZO6 with conservative tuning. 6 pounds of boost. No headers. The Magnuson looks real good but I think you can get more power from an ATI or Vortech blower with conservative tuning. Honestly, if you don't have a place that can use a LS1 edit or LS2 edit then you shouldn't let them mess with your car. Sorry for the rant.

The above post was for REDGLOW360.

My car has a blower....:)

Originally posted by Branden@Jan 4 2005, 10:02 PM
My car has a blower....:)
It needs it... :P

THE VORTECH IS iN AND IT'S GOOOOOD!!!

Dyno numbers tomorrow!!! :friday:

Project GTO-X Vortech installation!! (http://www.twistdisc.com/id3.html)

This installation article is going in into the next Pontiac Enthusiast magazine issue!


Oh yeah...and your dealer guy is jerking your chain. I chose the Vortech system b/c the guys at MM&FF have one on the editors car and it's been flawless all the way up to the 500+ rwhp.

:afro:

Im not to worried and this is what I was told, I actually know its not **** becuase my dad is the service rep for chevy and Vortech would skip out on helping cover their warranty when the product failed. Thats why chevy doesnt do businsess with them anymore. I had the work done at a corvette dealership that my dad does all the warranty work for and Im pretty sure they wouldnt lie to him.

So where's everybody's track times? I see a bunch of dyno racing going on, but no real results. The dyno is a tuning tool, not a true measure of performance. Look at all the supposed 500+ RWHP C5s out there that don't even run as quick as my old stock motor C5. I only had 334 RWHP, but stacks of mid-11 second timeslips.

Originally posted by REDGLOW360@Jan 14 2005, 07:11 AM
Im not to worried and this is what I was told, I actually know its not **** becuase my dad is the service rep for chevy and Vortech would skip out on helping cover their warranty when the product failed. Thats why chevy doesnt do businsess with them anymore. I had the work done at a corvette dealership that my dad does all the warranty work for and Im pretty sure they wouldnt lie to him.
You are full of **** on the Vortech issue. I'm betting that your dad did some extra stuff and voided the warranty. I have never ever had a problem with Vortech. They bend over backwards to take care of customers. I'm sure a dealership would never lie. At least that you know about.

Hmmm. More BS arguments and no track numbers to back them up. If all you two are going to do is have a pissing contest, I'm going to lock this thread up. Some timeslips or at least a dyno graph(with a/f ratios, no cheating) would be nice. If your cars run as good as your mouths, then some timeslips will speak for themselves.

Originally posted by TEK GTO@Jan 14 2005, 10:10 AM
Hmmm. More BS arguments and no track numbers to back them up. If all you two are going to do is have a pissing contest, I'm going to lock this thread up. Some timeslips or at least a dyno graph(with a/f ratios, no cheating) would be nice. If your cars run as good as your mouths, then some timeslips will speak for themselves.
I couldnt have said it better myself!


What reenforces the whole :bs: is the fact that noone has mentioned the fuel issues with that s/c and the fact that the fuel pump is too small to support anything more than 450-460whp! The fact that the moron even stated that he had 500whp is pure blasphemy! :flush:

While the dyno is a tuning tool time slips is a measure of machine AND driver. Some people on this board still can't break 13's with a Maggie. Others are tapping on 12's door bone stock. I already know my numbers will be lower because of the dyno that we're using, I baselined 250-something rwhp. With a Dynojet correction factor it was about 303rwhp. Either way being in the dead of winter and currently under a flood watch, I don't think anyone will be seeing track times soon.

Regarding the guys dad and Vortech service, I would like to get more details from the dad on the circumstances. Was the car modified? What also "failed" in the engine? The fact that the Vortech SC system is highly used on the LS1Tech and LS1 forums has more than proven to me that it works. Additionally, I know of no one personally who has anything bad to say about the quality or longevity of their products. However, as the Vortech uses engine oil system to keep itself lubricated, it indicates to me that there was probably poor maintenance on the engine or an oil pressure failure with the engine for Vortech to not provide warranty assistance.

J3 :afro:

We have a few tuning issues to address as I put in a 255lph tank instead of the kit's 90lph....but

DEAR GOD!! This thing hauls a**!! in a 2nd gear roll she'll light up the tires until I let off of it!!! Third it bogs (TUNING ISSUE). But at highway speeds she just BOLTS!!! The world moves so much faster around me!!!!

We rescheduled a dyno next week!!

:friday:
:afro:

I read some of the stupidest remarks here and it makes me laugh. Many of the remarks about fuel issues have already been addressed and fixed by the Corvette guys. Why don't you learn some things from guys that are actually running some of the same engine and blower combos? I had a Vortech blower on my stock ZO6 with no change of the in tank pump and made 520 rear wheel horsepower on approximately 6 psi. You can run a little more on the LS1 motor. We can use a lot of the same technology on our GTO's. I'm sure Racetronix makes a in tank pump for our cars or they can suggest a pump to use.

So where's the dyno graph with a/f ratios for that 520 RWHP? At 6 psi, those numbers were probably achieved at a 14:1 a/f ratio. Great for the dyno, but the track results will leave much to be desired. A stock LS6 motor with 6 lbs should have had the valvesprings done, with positive pressure on the intake side of the valves you need to calculate the pressure vs. surface area of the valve and upgrade the springs accordingly. Where's the track times I asked for? Look me up on the corvette forum as NJVetteGuy, you'll see what my car ran.

Threads like this are exactly why my car is N/A! :blink:

Originally posted by TEK GTO@Jan 15 2005, 07:35 AM
So where's the dyno graph with a/f ratios for that 520 RWHP? At 6 psi, those numbers were probably achieved at a 14:1 a/f ratio. Great for the dyno, but the track results will leave much to be desired. A stock LS6 motor with 6 lbs should have had the valvesprings done, with positive pressure on the intake side of the valves you need to calculate the pressure vs. surface area of the valve and upgrade the springs accordingly. Where's the track times I asked for? Look me up on the corvette forum as NJVetteGuy, you'll see what my car ran.
Just so I get this straight. If I don't have track times then I'm lying? Is that what you are saying? I can get the dyno graph. I Don't have the A/F ratio on it but I can tell you it was right around 11:1. If you want to run your big mouth now, how about I give you the name of the tuner and you give them a call to verify? My car had the Vortech SQ blower on it for about eight months before I sent it out to do the motor and get an upgrade to a T Trim.In fact my ZO6 was the first 2003 to get a Vortech kit. My car made 519.5 at the wheels with stock valve springs and no problems. Guys like you are a dime a dozen. "Show me your dyno numbers". "Prove what you say". You can go on any C5 board and those numbers are common with a good tune. If I prove what I say are you going to stick your head back up your a** and go away again? Call Xtreme Motorsports in AZ. Ask for Mike and tell him you want to know numbers on a Jeff's black Zo6. If you want to see my dyno sheets on my stock ZO6 with the Vortech then email me direct and I will give them to you. I'll give my dyno sheets for my car now with the 427 also. They do have the A/F ratio. You picked on the wrong guy. By the way, I'm laughing at your mid 11 second stock Corvette times. RIIIGHT!! :tongue:

...and my dad can beat up your dad...and I can prove it...just let it go! What possible value is any of these posts adding to the GTO community today?

You are right. I simply posted that you could get good numbers from our GTO's and I used my C5 as an illustration and this guy comes out of the woodwork expecting timeslips and proof. If you are going to a do a blower then do the research. For my money the ATI or Vortech is the way to go but for looks the Maggy is the best looking of them all.

If you're looking to the board for guidance on what to do for YOUR GTO which you are paying hard earned money on...that's the wrong answer. Forums are worse than salesmen b/c if you blow up your motor or make a wrong purchasing decision all these guys who "TOLD YOU SO" before your purchase will be no where around when you're broken down.

When I was an Supercoupe nut, I got my info from the boards AND those who actually worked on their cars. Personally, I never measure a board poster credibility by how many posts they make. If you have so much time to post all over the internet, then you most likely don't have the time to actually work on your car, talk to the people face to face who do, or be out there in the REAL world.

Quite simply, you look to the boards to find "popular" notions. Are they accurate informantion? Not always. I can tell you same thing about magazine articles. No one has the perfect formula for your success and goals. As the expression goes, there is more than one way to skin a cat...or Mustang :). The best way to help you decide what mods you should do to your car is simply ask people THREE questions:
1) WHY they bought the product they bought?
2) WHAT they think of it's performance.?
3) Did they do or help with the installation?

If you get an answer like well my friend told me to, the guys on XYZ board told me to, or the guys at the speed shop said it was a good kit and they installed it, I'd discount the worth of their information. Shops are in it to make money and support their supplier. That's not a bad thing, as we all need to make money. But it's not gospel. You have to choose what's right for you in the long term. Will you do more upgrades later? Will you do the install yourself? Are your skills limited? What's you budget? Will you sell the car later and keep the kit? How much do you want to modify your car? Spend time in a shop, not annoying the guys mind you, and see just what goes into an installation. Observe the cussing and what not that takes place squeezing this part into that space or "fabrication" that may be necessary to your car to get this part to work b/c its easier than doing it the "right".

Now I personally spoke extensively with the Marketing, Engineer/Tech, and Sales Managers of STS Turbo, Vortech, and ProCharger. Either way you go you're gonna get a GOAT that hauls a** better than stock. I've had great customer/tech support experience with both.

After my experience with my Supercoupes, I simply had no interest in a Maggie. Not that they are bad, I just didn't consider them efficient once they absorbed heat. Engines make heat. Heat rises. Maggies sit on top of an engine. It's not rocket science that cooling the air charge is going to be a b****. But hey they do look great, are a breeze to install and perform better than stock.

Procharger and Vortech have a difference of opinions in efficiency. Procharger states that they have a more efficient supercharging unit itself. Vortech promotes the fact that they have a shorter, more efficient cooling path for incoming air charge. I can't vouch for Procharger's SC unit claim, but the shorter liquid-to-air of the Vortech is as plain as day. Moreover, any chemist will tell you that water/liquid to air has a better heat transfer rate than air-to-air. Hence the larger front mount IC of the Procharger.
Two different approaches to the same goal. Yes, the Vortech requires you to tap into the oil pan for oil supply. But, again, having bought many Supercoupes with old or NO oil in the SC units, and knowing that sometime I'm not as anal on maintenance as I should be, the all in one oiling system was the answer to a lazy man's prayers. I moment of installation work, for a lifetime of easy maintenance. If you're on top of your maintenance, than you may consider this a minute matter and prefer the Procharger relatively easier installation process. I knew the Vortech kit, particular as it was the 2nd kit that they made and it was the 1st 6 speed install, was not going to be easy. I enlisted the help of a local turbo/speed shop to help. They didn't know everything. I didn't know everything. But working together we got it done with minimum pain.

Now when it's all said and done, all things being equal, you can't beat the efficiency of a turbo. However, a turbo is only as good as its total system. I was there for the install of that 11 second GTO's STS Turbo kit up at Dez Racing. I was impressed with the ease of installation. Probably second to the Maggie in installation ease. Several turbo experts I have talked to have expressed concern in the unique turbo location, but none have yet to actually pinpoint a fault with it, aside from the possible costly damage if you hit an above ground manhole or deep manhole cover. If you're a careful driver or out in the suburbs/country, this isn't a problem. I was further impressed with the fact that fact that you could still easily access your other engine components if you wanted to upgrade them. What I wasn't feeling wats the look of my turbo sitting and hanging out my back. For my style, my type of driving, and making ocassional drives into NYC/Bronx/Newark, NJ, etc, there was no way that STS kit was going to survive on my car.

Sorry to be so long winded. But my point simply is you have to make your own decisions and think long and hard about what to do with YOUR money and YOUR car.
Do your own research beyond a forum and manufacturer. Call speed shops. Go to the local track. Talk directly to racers. There is nothing worse than putting the fate of your goals in other's hands and getting screwed. TRUST ME!

I agree with everything you said. :)

jak112460

I do not think he was saing in so many words that you where fibbing about your dyno as much as he is saying

So what if you make 10000000000000HP to the wheels on a Dyno can you run the numbers at the track...

I am not defending HIM OR YOU but still I have not seen any posted track times...

and I agree most with the saying....

DYNOs do not win races but times slips do.

AGAIN I AM NOT ON ANY ONE SIDE JUST AN OBSERVATION!

And another fortification of why I am N/A! :type: