Has anyone seen an '05 on a dealer lot yet?

So has anyone? And if you have where was it?

I thought I had heard there would be a slim chance some might actually be here before the end of the year.

Once again the GTO will be launching in the dead of winter ......... BRILLIANT <_<

Havent seen any... And some of the dealerships here are even still claiming Late January / Mid Febuary before they get any. Huh funny... My order shows it is invoiced and shipped. (Though it may not be at the dealership level yet.) I cant see it being more than another week or two before they hit lots at the latest.

I think you are giving the supply system a little 2 much credit.

nope no 05

Originally posted by Orbit Orange@Dec 30 2004, 10:30 AM
So has anyone? And if you have where was it?

I thought I had heard there would be a slim chance some might actually be here before the end of the year.

Once again the GTO will be launching in the dead of winter ......... BRILLIANT <_<
I told everyone this back in summer. I kept warning folks the 05's would again be introduced in the middle of winter following the not so brilliant startegy of the 2004 model year. Then a swarm of 05 wanna-be's told me I was an idiot and insisted they would be here late October or early November at the latest.

:hysterical: :hysterical: :hysterical:

BTW, to those of you who fooled yourselves into thinking that the 05's would get here sooner than the 04's did, well guess what? Today is the last day of 2004 in case you brilliant geniuses haven't noticed.

So where are your 05's now? Happy New Year.

Owner of the Pontiac Dealership I delivered lost luggage to this morning in Mt. Pleasant, MI and I had a chat. Asked about 05' as he signed the paper work for the luggage and he said he had one arriving in 2 weeks. I told him I already had a quicksilver M6 04 in my garage and he replied, "Well, son, you're bout' 50 ponies short of this rocket. Come back and see us on the 15th!"


P.S. - "I'm gonna get a test drive! I'm gonna get a test drive!" :woot: :woot: :woot: :tongue:

To desertgoat's credit, I remember him mentioning that. :P

But i'm still pumped up about the '05's getting here. I want mine now!!!

Originally posted by fastcop@Dec 31 2004, 04:25 PM
To desertgoat's credit, I remember him mentioning that. :P

But i'm still pumped up about the '05's getting here. I want mine now!!!
fastcop,

You may be the FIRST 05 wannabe I might get along with. The rest of them are pompous idiots who think they know it all. I've already proven them wrong so many times and yet they continue to insist they are right. October and November are long gone and they still continue to insist that they will be here before the year ends. I got into so many arguments with them at the other board. I was surrounded by wishful thinking idiots over there who refuse to accept reality.

Good luck with your pursuit of the 2005 GTO.

For your sake, I hope you wait a little longer before buying. These wishful thinking idiots also insist that there will be no mark ups. There are already several threads over at the other board mentioning that dealers intend to ask for no less than 42K when they come out.

I love it when I vindicate myself, and I have done so dozens and dozens of times.
Sure I got banned over there for speaking the truth but it was well worth it.

Gonna go check the dealership now. I heard there are twenty 2005 GTO's sitting over there selling at less than MSRP!


:hysterical:

I've been checking the dealers in Northern Nevada and California and no 2005's in site. Plenty of 2004's though and for us we only get the $3500.00 rebate. But now that all the snow and ice has arrived a test drive with a 400 HP engine will be less than thrilling. :unsure:

Desertgoat, the facts are that the Holden production system is what we're dealing with and it does not coincide with US vehicle announcements in the "fall" (spring in Oz).
The 2005 release is just like 2004; cars in the winter - not optimum (who said 2005 would be any different?). There will be an attempt to rectify that for the 2006 model year, but even then we are still dealing with the Holden production system so we won't get cars exactly when we'd like.
There are 2005s in the US and some should have been released from the port facility by now.
Stop being so ****ed cynical.

He's not being cynical really. What some of you newer members don't know is, Desert Goat fought lots of people on when the '05s would arrive. He stuck to his guns, saying it would be the same as the '04s. MANY people lambasted him saying GM had learned their lesson and things would be smoother... Thanksgiving was often the "target" date for delivery for some 05 GTO dreamers.

He is rubbing it in their face now, but he kind of deserves to. His post is directed to a few select individuals. ;)

A more interesting discussion is... has GM not learned their lesson, OR are they intentionally slowing down the '05s so the '04s sell off! I don't think GM could have been ready at Thanksgiving, but, I wouldn't put it past them to slow things down a couple weeks intentionally. Still plenty of GTOs in the Cleveland area, and dealers aren't willing to deal - it's Supplier price minus rebate and take-it-or-leave-it. So I left it! :D

Thats gonna suck for those dealers in a month when their lot has a half dozen 05's next to a half dozen 04's for the same price. :hysterical:

Nope, No 05's in Wisconsin.

Went last week to look at the o4 again nad maybe order a o5.
I ended up leaving with the 04 yelow Jacket M6.
From my Conversation with this Dealer they really had not planned to have te o5's till March.
But who really know's.

I know I'm happy with my new purchase.
But will test drive a 05 when they are here.

Sorry about the previous type o's, darn spell checker

Our dealership received invoice today for first '05. Due in by 1-16-05. The '04 model availability is starting to dry up in Chicagoland (especially 6-speed models). We have only 1 '04 left(automatic). We had no problem during year selling these great cars once the incentives started.

Originally posted by CSiJason@Jan 3 2005, 12:20 PM
Thats gonna suck for those dealers in a month when their lot has a half dozen 05's next to a half dozen 04's for the same price. :hysterical:
Theylle just mark up the 05's :(

In the Detroit area, I haven't seen any dealers that still have '04s left. I put a deposit down for an '05 over the holiday and was told I was the first one at that dealership. They also said that I probably would not see it until early March. :tongue:

The good thing, though, is that I was guaranteed that I would not pay a dime over MSRP (with the exception of taxes and whatnot). With the GM discount, I'm hoping to roll out of there for less than 30 grand (again, with the exception of taxes and all that BS).

What you guys are not hearing is that GM North America does not run the Holden production system - it it set up for and runs to suit Holden and the Aussie market. The GTO, therefore, is released by Holden build schedules, not dates to suit the US market.

Pontiac is not too happy about this and are trying to make changes for the 2006 model year, but don't expect miracles - Holden will still prioritize their own production for their market before the GTO. This is part of the challenge of dealing in "global" markets with widely disparite manufacturing facilities.

Originally posted by briandors@Jan 3 2005, 11:02 AM


He is rubbing it in their face now, but he kind of deserves to. His post is directed to a few select individuals. ;)


Thanks briandors....


rlsedition is ONE of those inidividuals. He knows it, I know it, you know it, everyone knows it. He still fails to see my point. The point is VERY simple really, but these wanna be's just know-it-all. I just made a guesstimate based on my 04 experiences and extrapolated that the 2005's will be delayed as well. There is nothing complicated about my "prediction"--it was simply based on the fact that as a 2004 owner, I have gone through the ordering process in order to bring my goat into my garage.

But hey, you can't make folks like rlsedition understand my simple point. Funny thing is, those of you that have a 2004 GTO parked in your own garages seem to have no problem understanding my point. But "experts" like rlsedition can't seem to fathom it. Wonder why?

rlsedition, do you have a goat in your garage? Never mind, don't answer that. Those of us that have gone through this experience already know the answer. Once you get yours, maybe you will too.

Go ahead and regale us with your in-depth knowledge about the global economy and Holden manufacturing schedules. You still miss MY point. Maybe you should ask briandors. Perhaps he can explain it you using a book with pop up cartoons and simple 4-5 letter words.

And yes, I am cynical. And yes, you still miss my point.

Boy, this is getting a little too personal, DesertGoat. Send your cynical comments my way if you wish. All I'm trying to do is explain how this system works (or doesn't, depending on how you look at it), but I think you'll continue to be like you are no matter the facts of the situation.

OBTW, my hobbies are more in the two-wheeled direction and have been for many years. The fun/cost ratio I've found with Ducati sport bikes beats just about any car out there and they store better in the garage during our winters. But that doesn't mean I have no GTO connections. I drove a 2005 pilot car (Red/M6/18" wheels) about 3000 miles before I turned it in a couple of weeks ago.

Originally posted by rlsedition@Jan 3 2005, 06:23 PM
What you guys are not hearing is that GM North America does not run the Holden production system - it it set up for and runs to suit Holden and the Aussie market. The GTO, therefore, is released by Holden build schedules, not dates to suit the US market.

Pontiac is not too happy about this and are trying to make changes for the 2006 model year, but don't expect miracles - Holden will still prioritize their own production for their market before the GTO. This is part of the challenge of dealing in "global" markets with widely disparite manufacturing facilities.
This is also one of the reasons that GM is going to a Central unit instead of allowing each unit to run independently.

So over the next few years look for a lot of big changes in how GM runs these kind of situations. :type:

My dealer said 1/16/05 is his first delivery of five. We shall see.

Hope nobody minds a newbie jumping in (been a lurker for awhile). One other issue GM needs to address in it's dealer network - ADM. Added dealer markup killed a lot of the early 2004 GTO sales. Was watching Speed TV's re-run of last year's Barrett-Jackson, they auctioned off a brand new 2004. Commentators mentioned the car's suggested retail included a $5000 ADM. Hope I'm not being too "cynical" but I wonder how many dealerships are going to attempt to make back the 2004 mark downs with equally hefty 2005 mark ups?

The '05's have already landed at the port here in So Cal per the cover of the Southerna California Gathering of the Goats monthly newsletter. I'm sure they will be on So Cal dealer lots very soon.

Originally posted by SilverBullet@Jan 4 2005, 10:09 PM
Hope nobody minds a newbie jumping in (been a lurker for awhile). One other issue GM needs to address in it's dealer network - ADM. Added dealer markup killed a lot of the early 2004 GTO sales. Was watching Speed TV's re-run of last year's Barrett-Jackson, they auctioned off a brand new 2004. Commentators mentioned the car's suggested retail included a $5000 ADM. Hope I'm not being too "cynical" but I wonder how many dealerships are going to attempt to make back the 2004 mark downs with equally hefty 2005 mark ups?
Fortunately, I doubt if the admins here will ban you because you mentioned something about dealer mark ups. There is another GTO site (where I got banned) filled with members who are also GTO dealers. I guess they felt economically threatened by my posts about GTO dealers being greedy which partly killed the initial sales of the 2004's. They went straight to the moderators and complained specifically about me, even though dozens and dozens of other members also posted nasty remarks about Pontiac dealers and their legendary greed and unsavory business practices. But hey, I guess they needed a sacrificial lamb so they had to make an example out of me.

There are plenty of folks here who believe in their hearts that these dealers will not add the same mark ups they did for last year's model. God bless these folks. Just sit back and relax and enjoy the show----a bloodbath is sure to come. Wishful thinking naive masses are the easiest to victimize.

:hysterical:

Originally posted by desertgoat+Jan 5 2005, 02:24 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (desertgoat @ Jan 5 2005, 02:24 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-SilverBullet@Jan 4 2005, 10:09 PM
Hope nobody minds a newbie jumping in (been a lurker for awhile). One other issue GM needs to address in it's dealer network - ADM. Added dealer markup killed a lot of the early 2004 GTO sales. Was watching Speed TV's re-run of last year's Barrett-Jackson, they auctioned off a brand new 2004. Commentators mentioned the car's suggested retail included a $5000 ADM. Hope I'm not being too "cynical" but I wonder how many dealerships are going to attempt to make back the 2004 mark downs with equally hefty 2005 mark ups?
Fortunately, I doubt if the admins here will ban you because you mentioned something about dealer mark ups. There is another GTO site (where I got banned) filled with members who are also GTO dealers. I guess they felt economically threatened by my posts about GTO dealers being greedy which partly killed the initial sales of the 2004's. They went straight to the moderators and complained specifically about me, even though dozens and dozens of other members also posted nasty remarks about Pontiac dealers and their legendary greed and unsavory business practices. But hey, I guess they needed a sacrificial lamb so they had to make an example out of me.

There are plenty of folks here who believe in their hearts that these dealers will not add the same mark ups they did for last year's model. God bless these folks. Just sit back and relax and enjoy the show----a bloodbath is sure to come. Wishful thinking naive masses are the easiest to victimize.

:hysterical: [/b][/quote]
I will never pay over MSRP or MSRP for any cars. I rather wait for used ones or pay 2000-3000 dollars MSRP - rebate. Dealers can lick my a** because I am the customer.

I'm with desertgoat on this issue. Until Pontaic crashed down hard on the heads of the dealer adding markups on cars like the GTO this pratice won't stop. There are plenty of suckers out there. Although, not quite as many as the dealers seemed to think. They severly underestimate the power of the internet. Word travels fast and a better deal can be found in minutes without leaving your home. I for one would never pay more than msrp for any car.

Originally posted by bluemax@Jan 5 2005, 01:56 PM
Word travels fast and a better deal can be found in minutes without leaving your home. I for one would never pay more than msrp for any car.
[QUOTE]

I would agree that the internet has proven a valuable tool to the consumer. We all want to be treated alike and the internet allows us to see if that is happening when it comes to car buying. I was ready to buy an 2004 GTO until it became apparent that some dealers had a markup and others did not. So I resolved I would focus on those dealers that sold them for the MSRP. Then GM began dealing differently with people in various geographic regions. I was willing to fly to New Jersey to buy a 2004 for $5500.00 off but then GM blocked that because the discount only applies to where you live not where you buy.

So now that all the rebates have vanished I'll just wait for the 2005 and buy from a dealer that did not charge a markup last time and they will not charge a markup with the 05's either.

Dealers have an obligation to sell and make a profit for their respective business. A consumer has an obligation to make sure it is a fair and reasonable price for me.

Hey all,

I did a search on GM BuyPower and it returned 24 Matches for 2005 GTO's.
The dealerships I pulled up were in OH, IN, MI, VA.

Just thought you might want to check it out!! :woot: :woot:

I did a search for SoCal dealerships. There are currently around 20 '05's on SoCal lots.

These 3 are in my direct area; but the search returned 25 from MD,VA, PA, DE and NJ

ANDERSON CHEVROLET, ANDERSON OLDS, ANDERSON PONTIAC, ANDERSON BUICK
115 W 25TH ST
BALTIMORE, MD 21218
[ Map ] 2005 GTO
$33,690.00*
Exterior: Impulse Blue Metallic
Interior: Blue Leather


ANDERSON PONTIAC,ANDERSON BUICK,ANDERSON GMC
10139 YORK RD
****EYSVILLE, MD 21030
[ Map ] 2005 GTO
$33,690.00*
Exterior: Phatom Black Metallic
Interior: Red Leather


WALKER PONTIAC-BUICK-GMC
2404 CRAIN HWY S
BOWIE, MD 20716
[ Map ] 2005 GTO
$33,690.00*
Exterior: Impulse Blue Metallic
Interior: Blue Leather

BUT Every dealer I called says they do not have the car on their lot..hum go figure :rolleyes:

And when I ask if there is going to be a mark up like on the 2004s they say "I have no idea until it gets here".

Meaning if you want it first you are going to pay...HERE WE GO AGAIN! :bs:

I did a search for SoCal dealerships. There are currently around 20 '05's on SoCal lots.

Originally posted by TheJizzer@Jan 6 2005, 04:58 PM
BUT Every dealer I called says they do not have the car on their lot..hum go figure :rolleyes:

And when I ask if there is going to be a mark up like on the 2004s they say "I have no idea until it gets here".

Meaning if you want it first you are going to pay...HERE WE GO AGAIN! :bs:
It looks that way :angry: :(

I think you'll find that the dealer "problem" with ADMs is not just a Pontiac or GM problem. Try to buy any "hot" car from any dealer. Bought a Mini lately, or 300C Hemi or Mustang GT?
Unfortunately, the dealer contracts with manufacturers do not prohibit price gouging with new products. You have to find a dealer who looks longer-term and does not add ADMs. They're out there.

Bay City Dealer I spoke to this morning didn't even know that that information was posted on GMbuypower. He looked at it, looked at his garage, checked his showroom, and then checked the delivery truck. No 05' Goat? He said that he then looked at his invoice order and 1 IBM Auto will be delivered the 15th of Jan. He also said that it was shipped from California on the 31st of December. Give er' take 8 days and clear weather/road conditions and...... (I've said it before and I'll say it again)..... "I'm gonna get a test drive!!!!" B)

Hey Jizzer did you see the any of them for yourself at the dealer yet?
Iam in Maryland also.
Markups? Iam calling tomorrow to try and get the one from Anderson(Baltimore). My local salesman said they would order one for me at MSRP last week.
I'll see if they will let me have the Impulse blue one instead for the same.
Wish me luck, if you call MSRP luck.

Someones already got an 04 AND an 05 GTO over in Cali. I guess they got one of the first delivered anywhere.

Link (http://www.ls1gto.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12914)

Pics too!

Originally posted by turbota@Jan 7 2005, 09:11 PM
Hey Jizzer did you see the any of them for yourself at the dealer yet?
Iam in Maryland also.
Markups? Iam calling tomorrow to try and get the one from Anderson(Baltimore). My local salesman said they would order one for me at MSRP last week.
I'll see if they will let me have the Impulse blue one instead for the same.
Wish me luck, if you call MSRP luck.
All 3 dealersI listed, I called and all 3 said the same thing....They do not have the car and they will not be able to tell me if it is going to have mark-ups until they arrive on the lot.

But I hope they let you go for MSRP

In other words they want to wait untill your in the dealership and can bargin with you. If they can't give you a price over the phone then they have already made up their minds that they wiill have markups.

Once again dealers are only looking out for themselves.

:woot: well, guys,and gals, my delivery date of Dec 30th, came and went , still no GTO, :( , the salesman tells me it's in transit,just don't know exactly where. Im getting pretty bummed, it's almost like waiting for a baby to be born...........

Guys the cars are indeed in So Cal, The dealership is Grenier in Hisperia near Victorville, CA. I saw a Black M6 there yesterday. The salesman's name is Mike. They are the largest Pontiac Dealership in these parts. It is indeed true that the O5's are here. Another dealership thoudand oaks is takign delivery tomorrow.

GTOlvr, be patient. The cars are in transit (at least the first 1200 or so). Since you are out west, you will have it shortly. Those back East will have a longer wait.

WOW lucky SOB!!!! hahaha Gottta be the most popular kid on the block.

I just checked the GM locator and it is showing 34 GTO's on the ground on dealer lots (event code 5000 - Delivered to dealer). All are in So Cal with a couple in Las Vegas.

Originally posted by cboman01@Jan 10 2005, 07:07 PM
I just checked the GM locator and it is showing 34 GTO's on the ground on dealer lots (event code 5000 - Delivered to dealer). All are in So Cal with a couple in Las Vegas.
Just an update, the '05's have made it to the east cost. There are now a couple on dealer lots in NC and TN. Nothing in the northeast yet though.

Originally posted by cboman01+Jan 12 2005, 04:23 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (cboman01 @ Jan 12 2005, 04:23 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-cboman01@Jan 10 2005, 07:07 PM
I just checked the GM locator and it is showing 34 GTO's on the ground on dealer lots (event code 5000 - Delivered to dealer). All are in So Cal with a couple in Las Vegas.
Just an update, the '05's have made it to the east cost. There are now a couple on dealer lots in NC and TN. Nothing in the northeast yet though. [/b][/quote]
The '05's are moving up the east coast. There are now several in VA.

Just made the deal on the Impulse blue 05 thats due in at Walker Pontiac in Bowie, Maryland.MSRP if you call that a deal. Well its mine when it arrives.
Now I just got to figure out where to turn up the boost :rolleyes: Oh yeah LS2 no boost required ;)