I was wondering if anyone knew how well the GTO has been selling so far. I know it is still early, but has anyone seen or heard any national sales numbers yet? It would be interesting to see how many GTOs have been sold before the car's arrival.

Easy. There have been 0 sold so far.

A sale is not a sale till the transaction is completed ...

THere seem to be a good number of preorders tho ...

I don't think anyone knowing the true numbers is a good thing, other than Pontiac of course. If the numbers are low, some, not me of course, will begin to question their purchase decision. If the numbers are high the dealers know they have a winner with a limited supply, then welcome to gouge city. I'm confident they have a winner and the fewer that know it the better! :D

I've heard relatively trustworthy information that there have been 460-470 preorders and that that is ALL that are available until February. Branden posted a blurb on here quite a while back that GTO production was sceduled to be "ramped up" and that their would be a very limited quantity @ first.

Once again the math just doesn't add up. Most of us will not have our cars when the first shipment comes in. That would mean that the dealers would have cars that they could sell to someone off the street who would get their cars months ahead of those that preordered. It just doesn't make sense. I sure wish GM would tell us what the truth is. We can take it.


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yep iam affraid that say a dealer has a certain # of cars on order that they will get the opposite one or two in first and mark up the price as much as they want and we who have ordered them will have to wait so they can have them as show cars to bring people in now if some one will pay 5k over then they will sell it its a nasty game but it will happen 460 doesnt go verry far i think these cars are for dealers /owners /exects /mags /and even pace cars. reason#1 is why havent there been any new info such as prod#s changing or has GM on purpose frozen all the paperwork and info??? ps if all of the first ones are sold why has no thing changed

Originally posted by LT1Brutus@Oct 22 2003, 12:53 AM
I've heard relatively trustworthy information that there have been 460-470 preorders and that that is ALL that are available until February. Branden posted a blurb on here quite a while back that GTO production was sceduled to be "ramped up" and that their would be a very limited quantity @ first.
I'm not sure this adds up - unless they plan on selling a bunch of cars before the pre-orders are taken care of. I've got a TPW of 11/24 on my preorder, and the tracking site on the other forum lists preorders out to 2/2/04. Given that the ship sent this week has 460 cars on it, and the production numbers are supposed to be ramping up, that adds up to many more than 460 preorders. Now, I'm sire there are many dealers with preorders without specific customers - but I would think the plan would be to fill the preorders before selling cars to Joe Schmoe off the street. There would be many people upset if they don't - especially those who have cash deposits sitting around...

Now, let's do some hypethetical math. The maximum production allowed will be 18,000 cars. 18000-460=17540. 17540/11 months left of production (approximately) is 1590 cars per month. The 2/2/04 preorder seems extraneous, but there are definitely a number of preorders with TPW's into December. This gives 2 months of production with 3180 cars to be produced. Even if only half of these are to satisfy preorders, that is many more than the 460 number stated.
Even if production stays at 460 per month, and half of the cars are allocated to preorders, that means 460x3/2 or 690 preordered vehicles.
Dan D.

It is even worse because there are only about 9 production months left. Remember they started in September and they have to shut the line to tool up for 2005.

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Does anyone know how long it took to make the first 460 cars? I'm sure they can ramp up production a little bit but we are looking at well under 1,500 or perhaps 1,000 cars per month. I recall seeing the annual production number changed to something around 16,500.

No matter how you slice it, this is not going to be a high volume product and the first year's production will definited be "limited"

The calculations probably arent as linear or as simple as that. Could be any number of factors involved. We don't know what else is on that ship or if it had capacity left, even if all the completed GTO's were loaded. Could be that Holden were just taking advantage of its schedule, who knows.

We also don't know what percentages of production capacity are currently being put into the GTO. Could be low at the moment while domestic and other export markets have orders filled and may go up and down a couple of times, I'm sure they have it all worked out over the long run.

wondering how many gtos are on order so far between these few gto sites its less than 100 registered?? can there be a lot more out there we dont know about say 500? speaking of production do they shut down for the holidays like us ? i said this before if 460 are shipped then why hasnt the prod #s for the early tpw people changed??? are there that many ahead of us we dont know about i ordered mine as soon as the dealer would let me that was in early june my tpw is 9/15 was 9/2??

I count 28 people on this site who claim to have their car ordered already

A better count is over at LS1GTO where they are tracking our orders. There is 51 listed right now. I personally don't think there are that many "actual" customer advance orders. There really was no advertising so most folks are finding out about the GTO on the internet. It would stand to reason then that those folks would end up on this site and on the LS1GTO site. My dealer had an allocation for 9 and the GTO I got on was one he had already ordered but had no deposit on(e.g., he already had an order number and a TPW). I think that is what all the dealers are doing. I agree that the first 460 coming over probably are not filling actual orders but are going to the dealerships to stimulate interest and to support the advertising push that apparently will begin Thanksgiving weekend. I am just speculating, though.

OK. I do not have a GTO Pre Ordered. I went to my dealer to put a deposit down and spec the car with what I wanted. Black w/ red interior and 6 speed. We went to the computer and started to do the paperwork when the Gen Mgr came to me and said the dealer already had GTO with my specs alloted to them and it would be faster if I bought the allocated unit and not pre order my own. I am calling this my "Reseved" GTO and not an ordered one. My GTO was scheduled for production on 10/17. I expect my car in the second week of December.

Please pardon the red X in the sig, server is down for now.

When I went to order my GTO the Manager told me
they had one more allocated that they had not picked
a color for. I was able to get that slot. So, really
my order was one already allocated to the Dealer.
When the Dealer gets it, my name will be put on it as
sold.

Originally posted by Cperki1@Oct 22 2003, 12:15 PM
OK. I do not have a GTO Pre Ordered. I went to my dealer to put a deposit down and spec the car with what I wanted. Black w/ red interior and 6 speed. We went to the computer and started to do the paperwork when the Gen Mgr came to me and said the dealer already had GTO with my specs alloted to them and it would be faster if I bought the allocated unit and not pre order my own. I am calling this my "Reseved" GTO and not an ordered one. My GTO was scheduled for production on 10/17. I expect my car in the second week of December.

Yep, just like my experience. I put my deposit down the first week of August and got a TPW of 10/27.

There is no way the car will be here in December, though. A more realistic time is probably early February. Pontiac said they were targeting people to have their cars within 90 days of when they are built. For some reason, the salesmen either don't know this or are just not telling us because they are afraid to lose a sale. My salesman told me I would have my car in late November.

I am really begining to wonder what the second shipment looks like... dates? how many vehicles?

In Toyota's launch of their 2004 Prius (with over 10,000 preorders in US alone), they are giving each dealer a dedicated "TRAC" vehicle that is reserved for rental or test drives (not to be sold). While most of us are die hard crazies are buying a car sight unseen, the majority of the buying public would like to see and drive a car before putting any money down.

I do not know GM's plans but I suspect that many of those cars in the first shipment will be used for demos, etc and not sold to preorders. They might ultimately be sold but do you really want a demo GTO with a few hundred miles from people trying to see how fast this thing really can go?

I think there is the possibility of a price difference between pre-ordered cars and picking up a car the dealer has already ordered. There are plenty of indications that pre-ordered cars will go at the MSRP as promised on the net by certain dealers (whatever MSRP turns out to be). I wonder if those that just get one the dealer has already ordered will be paying a little "extra"?

Hi folks. Just joined this site. I think the preorders are low because of the lack of information available about this car. Pontiac has not really been pushing them. I was a fortunate one who was able to get a preorder (sorry tails) but only because I pursued it actively. The upcoming "introduction" should help produce more orders as well as having a few cars at various dealerships for people to inspect. If there were close to 50k F bodies sold each year for the last few years, the production numbers for the GTO won't be enough.


I hope to get mine efore Christmas. Waiting to hear about the second shipment :D

Originally posted by topdownloGTO@Oct 26 2003, 03:13 AM
Hi folks. Just joined this site. I think the preorders are low because of the lack of information available about this car. Pontiac has not really been pushing them. I was a fortunate one who was able to get a preorder (sorry tails) but only because I pursued it actively. The upcoming "introduction" should help produce more orders as well as having a few cars at various dealerships for people to inspect. If there were close to 50k F bodies sold each year for the last few years, the production numbers for the GTO won't be enough.


I hope to get mine efore Christmas. Waiting to hear about the second shipment :D
Hat's off to you. I had no idea when I first started this process. If knew then what I knew know now Jason and I would be best of buddies!!! (and I would have bought a three garage house.)


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