Now that clubgp is done destroying my server, I thought I would share this over here now. A few of you here know me already, for those that do not, I own the fastest 2004 Grand Prix in the country. I am on a quest to be the first in the 12's with my car. Here are some pictures of the cam swap and a link to the few videos I have up right now


Cam Pictures (http://www.cperki1.net/cam)

Race videos (http://www.cperki1.net/videos)

Enjoy, Chuck

cperk,

Don't be so modest. "Fastest GP in the country". I'm sure it's the fastest in the universe. Also, nice post regarding the 1/4 times of 13.62 being slow. Nothing can compare to the fastest GP that ever existed.

:P :D :P :D :P :D :P :D :P :D

You da man!

:afro: Is my hair stickin' up? Cuz' my finger sure is.

Please substantiate the claim of having the fastest '04 Grand Prix in the country. Are you postive of that statement?

As far as I know, no other 2004 GTP has made it to the 13's yet. There are some guys that are very close, but just have not been able to hit that mark yet. Please keep in mind I am speaking only of the 04 model and not the 97-03 GP's.

Originally posted by Cperki1@Oct 30 2003, 04:08 AM
As far as I know, no other 2004 GTP has made it to the 13's yet. There are some guys that are very close, but just have not been able to hit that mark yet. Please keep in mind I am speaking only of the 04 model and not the 97-03 GP's.
I bet your wife beats up on your GTP with her GTO when she gets it !!!!

http://www.clubgp.com/newforum/tm.asp?m=1029293

My plan all along was to make sure the GTP was faster than GTO. Should be a fun game of who can out mod who :D

A simple Icon twin turbo kit and the GTO will put close to 500 HP if not over at the tire and we havn't even busted in to the motor.

As our friends at Holden would say "GAME OVER"

Originally posted by chotton@Oct 30 2003, 04:50 AM
A simple Icon twin turbo kit and the GTO will put close to 500 HP if not over at the tire and we havn't even busted in to the motor.

As our friends at Holden would say "GAME OVER"
i would say closer to 1000hp :rolleyes: in some applications.

http://www.micro-op.com.au/execls1/tt1.jpg

http://www.micro-op.com.au/execls1/tt2.jpg

No not going that radical. Just a simple Icon kit. There are many LS1 F-bodys out there that have the Icon kit and still have stock intake, heads and cam and make around 500 at the tire.

So you bought a stock slow car, and modded it faster than a stock quick car and now you wanna lay some smack down. Your've either got cocunut cohunas or peanut brains. Quick GTO's are gonna eat 12's, nothin against your ride, but a GTO it aint.

ok tell us about this gp whats done?? hopefully no nos/open pipe factory working cats/sticky tires/re prog computer a/c still hooked up and so on //

This thread took a wrong turn somewhere.

First of all, I am a car nut, more specifically, a Pontiac nut. I have been my whole life. I am not talking smack on the new GTO, I cant wait to get my hands on mine (actually, my wife's). I am however a bit disapointed at Motor Trend's 13.6 ET for the 1/4. I have heard worse times for the automatic equipped GTO. I know when mods are done to the GTO, there will be some screaming Goats out there, I plan to be one of them! But, if a stock GTO rolls out to the track and challenges me to a race, I will smile and ask him to pick which of my GP's he would like to race.

My GTP mods are: 2002 has 3.4, 3.25 and 3.0 inch supercharger pulleys, smaller size = more boost. SLP Headers, Digital HorsePower tuned PCM, SLP Ram Air induction, 1.9 ratio Intense Rocker arms (stock ratio is 1.6) and custom exhaust. These mods were about $1500 and took my car from 14.9 to 13.4

My 2004 had/has 3.4, 3.25, 3.0 pulley, home made Cold air intake, 1.9 rocker arms (they have been removed due to the cam) and exhaust. For less than $600, I took my 04 form 15.4 to 13.61, my new cam has not yet been tested. I do not have any PCM tuning, my A/C still works, I still have my cat.

For those that have never payed any attention to Pontiac's "other" performance car, you better wake! There are thousands of Grand Prixs out there running mid 13's, There are fewer running in the 12's, and even a few in the 11's and IIRC one or two in the 10's. Most of us do NOT use N2O

I look forward to the day when the ****y new GTO owner has a run in with me at the race track. I will make **** sure to have my cameras rolling.

Guys, cut him some slack, hes a great guy and true Pontiac fan which I'm sure we can all relate to :) Isnt it nice to see someone enthusiastic about thier ride? Not to mention he is getting a GTO so I doubt he's bashing it :)

Originally posted by GTPprix@Oct 31 2003, 12:16 AM
Guys, cut him some slack, hes a great guy and true Pontiac fan which I'm sure we can all relate to :) Isnt it nice to see someone enthusiastic about thier ride? Not to mention he is getting a GTO so I doubt he's bashing it :)
i can understand he is excited about his gtp's, and theyre not bad cars for FWDrivers, but once he sees how much nicer the GTO is, he will quickly kick that '04 GTP to the curb.

I'm not going to get in to a pissing match here. The bottom line is if you put $XXX of money into a GTP and then put the same about into a GTO the GTO will always come out being the faster and better handeling car.

Sorry to break the news, but a GTP has already broken into the 12's. I work with a huge GP club guy, and one of them have done it. I guess it happened this summer.

There are probably 4 dozen GTP's in the 12's

The 2004 model Grand Prix is a NEW design with an improved engine.

hey i mean no harm just wanted to see him stand up for himself and all the supercharged folks out there. at one time a few years ago at the buick nats there were the regal versions running **** fast at that time. i even looked at getting one of those GTPs or regal at one time / cause once you go turbo or supercharger you may never go back. ps sounds like a great modified car i hate when people gut the cats a/c and other stuff run nos and claim it still a normal stock car a street car of this era should pass emmisions still have cruse a/c and interior and be able to drive it anywhere if you want a race car then build one with all that removed//

Hey easy on us GP guys! ;)

Guess who has been carrying the performance torch for the last 2 years at Pontiac?

I love my GTP and it has very good potential. But it does have it's shortcomings. That's why I'm going GTO. You just can't beat the seat of the pants fun of RWD. I just can't get that feeling with my GTP being FWD.

Coming soon my garage will be home to a GTP and a GTO! :D

Guess where the mod $$$ will be going though? ;)

PS

cause once you go turbo or supercharger you may never go back.

Tell me about it! I keep thinking about a blown LS1 .... mmmmm... boost ... mmmmmm... :)

Oscar Meyer claims to have the fastest weinermobile in the world, completely stock.

I like GTPs, but it seems like V6 altimas and Accords are blowing their doors off from the factory. 14.5's with a manual tranny.

yea pro charger on GTO??? yea i rented a 285 hp maxima when i sold my t type i thought it was quick but i never got a chance to race it ??

This is a stupid thread. Of course there are numerous "modified" cars out there that can beat a stock GTO, including Honda Civics. The GTO has to be validated by passing several different dyno tests that beat the living snot out of the engine to simulate years of abuse. 99.9% of these "modified" cars wouldn't pass the same tests because the factor of safety is jeopordized. 13.6 for a "stock" car is respectable. It's all relative - perform the same mods to a GTO and the times will drop accordingly.

As for the 04 3.8L supercharged engine - it's the same engine as before with a calibration change to get an extra 10-20 hp.

Originally posted by pook@Oct 31 2003, 03:59 AM
Oscar Meyer claims to have the fastest weinermobile in the world, completely stock.

I like GTPs, but it seems like V6 altimas and Accords are blowing their doors off from the factory. 14.5's with a manual tranny.
And I'm sure you're the star driver...If you believe anything in your statement to be remotely accurate. Blowing their doors off??? HA! :laughbounce:

Originally posted by 87GN&98VET@Oct 31 2003, 03:18 PM
As for the 04 3.8L supercharged engine - it's the same engine as before with a calibration change to get an extra 10-20 hp.
Wow, that is misinformation at its best! Who on earth got you to believe that? :blink:

Originally posted by pook@Oct 31 2003, 03:59 AM
I like GTPs, but it seems like V6 altimas and Accords are blowing their doors off from the factory. 14.5's with a manual tranny.
You have got to be kidding.

Altima and Accords?

They've got about as much torque as my lawnmower. There Hp numbers match up well, but they get tailpipe in a race.

Originally posted by GTPprix+Oct 31 2003, 05:16 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (GTPprix @ Oct 31 2003, 05:16 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-87GN&98VET@Oct 31 2003, 03:18 PM
As for the 04 3.8L supercharged engine - it's the same engine as before with a calibration change to get an extra 10-20 hp.
Wow, that is misinformation at its best! Who on earth got you to believe that? :blink: [/b][/quote]
Umm, I'm a supplier and I've got three of them running in my dyno right now. :rolleyes:

The 04 engine is basically a carry-over from 03 sans calibration.

The engine in the 04 GTP is a Series III

The most significant change was a new Eaton M 90 Gen 5 Blower and Electronic Throttle Controll.

There were some other internal changes, but none really effected power output.

Yeah the Gen 5 blower, DBW throttle, returnless fuel system, new intake manifold,misc upgraded gaskets, forged rods. Thats a carryover? The calibration on the 04's is actually MORE restrictive than the 03 cal overall. If you have three of them on the dyno right now you didnt notice the new supercharger or lack of return on the fuel rail? Crazy stuff I tell ya!

Originally posted by Thunder777@Oct 31 2003, 04:37 PM
And I'm sure you're the star driver...If you believe anything in your statement to be remotely accurate. Blowing their doors off??? HA! :laughbounce:
I would be proud to drive that vehicle, and have people come up to me and say "nice weiner you got there," but:

Puffed up by the 9.5-psi sirocco from the twin-rotor Eaton supercharger, the big pushrod V-6 slings the Grand Prix to 60 mph in 6.6 seconds, faster by a half-second or more than all the prestige machines mentioned earlier. The quarter-mile clicks by in a virile 15 flat at 93 mph, but after that, progress slows as the lungs of a two-valve engine start to burn for lack of air.
-Car and Driver

Also read:

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupe/...ord/index4.html (http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupe/112_0212_mercaccord/index4.html)

I would be interested in any contrary evidence. :bs:

I do not contest those numbers on a STOCK GTP. The L67 and L32 are VERY mod friendly.

I think we can all agree that most of us that race our cars, mod our cars. My car is modified. I can give you video proof of a 13.88 run, that is the fastes run that I have on film at the moment.

Video Here (http://www.cperki1.net/videos/13.88.mpg)

I am in the right lane closest to the camera.

I had a '97 GTP - great car...but this is a GTO site. Enough already about the '04 Comp G.

BTW, the new Grand Prix is ugly, next to a '97-'03 they look like a big Grand Am - too bad about the "ricer" headlights and the pinchy grill - a real step backwards in design. Thank God the new GTO got some of the '97-'03 genes (front end).

Could a moderator please move the topic to the Pontiac Discussion area?

Originally posted by Cperki1@Nov 1 2003, 02:27 AM
Could a moderator please move the topic to the Pontiac Discussion area?
Who started the topic here....... :unsure:

I did, and now I wish I had not. I never expected this kind of backlash from a PONTIAC site.

Chest pounding always warrants backlash. Remember we're all type A's here. Why else would we all be buying a GTO? The alpha male's got to drive something. :D

I am just used to getting kudos for my work on the GP. Not many other 04 owners have done so much as an intake, and here I am camming one.

Lesson learned.

Originally posted by Cperki1@Nov 1 2003, 05:06 AM
I am just used to getting kudos for my work on the GP. Not many other 04 owners have done so much as an intake, and here I am camming one.

Lesson learned.
Cperki1,
Then there those of us that know diddly about high performance stuff and will appreciate the expertise once we get our goats!!! Right now I feel like a sponge.
:laughbounce: :laughbounce: :laughbounce: :laughbounce:

Cperki1 check this out: I bought a used 2000 Firehawk rated at 330 HP with 14,000 miles on the odometer. It is a 6-speed. All I did was spend $500 to change the gears to 4.10"s. My first trip down the strip on STREET tires, full exhaust was 12.82 @110.4. Since then I have added Stage 2 heads, a mild 224 cam and headers. My last time out I went 11.97 @ 118.92 and smoked a 2002 Viper GTS. Granted I used ET streets to control the power, the point being it's a stock bottom end 346 and I smoked a 488 cu. in V-10. I would be willing to bet that I could get behind the wheel of a new GTO and smoke your GTP. My reasoning is this: typically magazines don't really get the best times and I feel the GTO will have a real advantage with the 6-speed trans. As you may or may not be aware, the GTO shares the same ratio's in the 6-spd as the Z06 Corvette. It has a 2.97 1st gear instead of a 2.60. Multiply the rear ratio of 3.46 x 2.97 = 10.276 overall
compared with my Firehawk 2.60 x 4.10 = 10.66 and you can see that the GTO's will have a great off line performance. Don't be to ****y about your automatic front driver, cause if you run into the wrong 6-speed gut you will get smoked.

Why is everyone hating on CPERKI1? All he posted was a little background info about his car. Not trying to be an @$$hole here but all of you that say that you are willing to bet that your GTO will beat his car DON'T even have your car yet, so in reality you don't know how fast the car really is. Your just going by what you read or heard. I hear Ricer boys "talk" about how "all you gotta do is this" and the civic will be in the 12's. But how many of them actually do it? CPERKI1 here talked about what he DID do and is proud of his work on his PONTIAC, and all anyone can do is talk about how their car (that they havn't even seen) is "going" to be faster. I'm not saying that the GTO isn't going to be fast, i do love them, i'm just saying give credit to people that love their cars and deserve it. Again, i am not tying to be an @sshole, i'm just giving credit to the people that deserve it. After all, this is one big Pontiac family. Right?

cperk already got his credit. He lost it when he continued posting trying to solicit praise.I complimented him on how nice his cars looked but began to grow tired of it when he started posting for praise. He may well have the fastest GP in the universe. He also may be lying in wait for some unsuspecting GTO or even a mini van. Who cares? Most of us here could care less. His V6 powered, supercharged, front wheel drive 4 door has little in common with the GTO. Now if you have some insights on performance mods for the LS1, I'm up for that all day long, no matter what chasis it's in (Trans Am, Z28 or Corvette)!

Originally posted by cvp33@Nov 2 2003, 01:03 PM
cperk already got his credit. He lost it when he continued posting trying to solicit praise.I complimented him on how nice his cars looked but began to grow tired of it when he started posting for praise. He may well have the fastest GP in the universe. He also may be lying in wait for some unsuspecting GTO or even a mini van. Who cares? Most of us here could care less. His V6 powered, supercharged, front wheel drive 4 door has little in common with the GTO. Now if you have some insights on performance mods for the LS1, I'm up for that all day long, no matter what chasis it's in (Trans Am, Z28 or Corvette)!
Here here CVP - I appreciate people who love cars and love their work. I don't appreciate people who do it for acceptance, and not because they love cars and love working on cars.

Originally posted by GTPprix@Oct 31 2003, 09:29 PM
Yeah the Gen 5 blower, DBW throttle, returnless fuel system, new intake manifold,misc upgraded gaskets, forged rods. Thats a carryover? The calibration on the 04's is actually MORE restrictive than the 03 cal overall. If you have three of them on the dyno right now you didnt notice the new supercharger or lack of return on the fuel rail? Crazy stuff I tell ya!
I did some checking - you're right - the hp increase was from a more effecient supercharger, not necessarily the cal. I don't really count the gaskets, returnless fuel system or electronic throttle control since GM is always changing things like this between model years without calling it a major change. Considering the changes between the first 3.8s and the second 3.8s - I would call the new one essentially a carry over. By the way, the new rods are powder metal, not forged steel.

[I]Hot forged powdered metal I guess I should have elaborated hehe

This topic is moved...and let's keep things on the light side.

Thanks for the move.