What's this all about? Seems a bit drastic if you ask me.

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/11/15/...8674436769.html (http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/11/15/1068674436769.html)

Some people must force their will on others to feel good about themselves. Obviously every one that plays the video game will go racing around the city and have accidents and kill people and then start using drugs........

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Just some "do gooder" MP

He is probably only after the pensioner anti-technology vote.

You know the types. The ones that have never had a speeding ticket in their life but create mayhem on the roads by driving at 30 under the limit in the fast lane etc. and run into you in the carpark.

Bah there's always a do gooder or tree hugger trying to make noise about something, sometimes their causes are ven worthwhile. In this case it seems somewhat of an overreaction but hey who's time is he wasting? Anyway the Office of Film and Literature already gave it a "G" or General rating, not even a "PG" or Parental Guidance rating so they're obviously not concerned with it. Maybe they need to add a scene in the game where you get points for running over the do gooder tents pitched out side Parliament:)

Also don't get me wrong I thoroughly respect that individuals right to express and lobby his views as he sees fit. What is annoying is if government actually act upon the vocal minority views that are out of kilter with main stream thinking and encroach upon our rights.

I will add that I will not own a steering wheel and pedal setup for racing video games because I want to be absolutely sure on all levels that my mind can tell the difference between racing (and bumping slow traffic out of the way) and real driving (where I also should never drive a truck).

Its probally worth noting that the Sydney Morning Herrald (SMH) is not held in the highest estem as for reading some have even refered to it as populas crap, and they would be right IMO.

I'm just bustin' their balls......we have plenty of the same think-they-are-doing-good people here in the good old U S of A.

You think thats bad, a while ago they banned TV ads for Holden and Ford (possibly Magna too) because the images promoted dangerous driving. The man is always on our back down under, the authorities have got to realise that this sort of culture wont just go away if you take all the toys away.

You can take the man out of the car, but you can never take the car out of the man!

pffft to all the greenies who want to kill V8's too! U suck greenies.

Well lets save the grennie vs car guy debate for another thread.

To say video games effect behavior is like saying television, movies, music, art, and every other form of entertainment does also, of coarse it effects behavior, but the question is not if we should BAN it, or censor the public, but how the goverment should correct these radical members of society that choose to do these acts in real life.

Art should never be banned, its simply the goverments role to teach the difference between reality, and entertainment.

Originally posted by Nocturn@Nov 1 2004, 01:57 AM
but how the goverment should correct these radical members of society that choose to do these acts in real life..
I know know much, but I dont know art.

The only problem I have with this is that the government maybe shouldn't be held accountable for the actions of people copying video games and movies etc. etc.

For art's sake, you can't take stuff like that out of movies, otherwise everything would end up like 7th heaven or the Partridge family.

As long as movies and stuff are around you'll always get the same thing, "Monkey see, Monkey do."

I personally (and this is only MY opinion here) the responsibilites for young people acting like morons on the road should fall upon either the person directly or their parents. Not to say that bad parenting turns kids into Uzi-wielding GTO trashing lunatics, but over here (with my dad at least) he drummed into me not to drive like a lunatic unless you're really sure you know what you're doing. And I'll be the first to admit that I dont know everything, and plus I've seen too many friends get hurt (physically and emotionally) from car accidents that could've been prevented if the person driving had more sense.

I'll get off my soap box now, thanks for your time y'all.....

No problem,

Its up to us..albeit across the pacific, but IMO its up to the society to correct the actions of what the majority believe to be abnormal or inapropriate behavior. The government shouldn't censor the majority of the populus for the sake of a few. I'm not saying its the goverments duty to correct..deranged youngsters, but up to the parents or society to do so.

In the states the society sets the laws and government is thus reflected...at least in theory thats how its supposed to work.

Perhaps I should have phrased it "but how society/the parents should correct these radical members of society that choose to do these acts in real life.."

Maybe passé but for the benefit of members who may have missed it ..

http://carpoint.ninemsn.com.au/Tig/UI/Arti...lias=carpointau (http://carpoint.ninemsn.com.au/Tig/UI/ArticlePopup.aspx?market=car&articleid=6498&Alias=carpointau)

I often buy the Sydney Morning Herald, here regarded as a quality broadsheet. Its main bonus is that it is not controlled by Rupert Murdoch. Nor am I adverse to realistic environmental reform. But in Australia considerably more greenhouse gasses are produced from Agriculture (livestock emissions ahem) or from Industry than generated by all Transport. So cars are not the principal evil they are often made out to be. Tellingly, suicides markedly outnumber road deaths ...

My opinion of the above Corvette ad is irrelevant as I am from a different culture. But I can readily see why it would be deemed unsuitable here too, because it portrays small children as peer figureheads who gain social approval via running amok in city streets & successfully drive upside down. But as I said, tastes vary & that's cool. More to my liking is this car ad below (4.8MB) which was conceived & filmed in Sydney

http://media1.adforum.com/zrIf58670C/E/EU/...45_0039174W.MPG (http://media1.adforum.com/zrIf58670C/E/EU/EURR_01545/EURR_01545_0039174W.MPG)

Actually the main reason why people complained was not that it encouraged reckless driving, but that it encouraged kids to steal their parents cars and go out in them.

At least thats what they said when the issue was originally brought up. I'm sure it had to deal with the things you brought up also.

Motortrend has a nice writeup on this very thing, specifically on the vette commercial.
http://motortrend.com/features/consumer/112_0412_tv/

At the end they give short summaries of commercials that didn't make it. I shall quote one:
Ad:Subaru Forester: "Outside the Box"
When: 2002
Synopsis: Mother and daughter drive into forest in search of ideal area to let rabbit go free
Who Objected: House Rabbit Society and other bunny-huggers, who claimed ad showed helpless domestic rabbit being released into the wild

Thank goodness for the House Rabbit Society! Bad Subaru, bad! :wacko:

those kind of people really make me angry. CAN'T WE HAVE ANY FUN? geez, espacilly with the corvette ad. it was a fantastic commercial, and a small group of people didn't like it...well too bad. most people can clearly distiquish between fantasy and reality, and if these childern can't, then its their parents' fault.

in the 'vette commercial, they clearly showed that it was a DREAM. big difference. and with video games, everybody knows that they are fake, and it would virtually be impossible to duplicate most of those actions in real life, espacilly in a city with that kind of traffic. these people need to understand that the world isn't perfect and it never will be. sooner or later children are going to be exposed to dangeorus things: fowl language, scary movies, and heaven forbid VIDEO GAMES! what a tragedy that will be!

i would have liked to have seen GM leave that commercial on the air, a small group of people shouldn't ruin it for everyone else. i'm sure if they tried to sue GM a court would rule in favor of GM, they had the proper disclaimers, and out of 40 million+ viewers...nobody else had a complaint. **** tree huggers!

Environmentalists didn't have anything to do with this commercial, it was concerned parents wanting their children not to drive off in their cars.

GM pulled it because they didnt want the bad press, by complying to their wants GM gets to look like the car company that listens to "you" and is doing/building cars for everyday people.

GM wouldn't have pulled it if there wern't obviouslly good things to come from it.

To the Aussie politicos: ITS A GAME!! ITS JUST A FREAKIN' GAME!!!
To GM: Thanks for my car, but where are your BALLS??? Its a Corvette for God's sake!! Its THE American automotive icon! Kids the world over dream about that car. And an awful lot of adults too!! The people you're afraid of offending already hate you for the Hummer H2, Tahoe, and Suburban. You still sell a lot of those don't you??